Prevent land granting to patrician dynasts in republics

[knppel]

As the title says.

Ever since patch 2.xsomething, landed characters are excluded from inheriting patrician houses. AI republics, if successfull in expanding, are currently still crippling themselves by passing out spare counties to members of patrician families, who then become Lord Mayors, never marry thus, and are ineligible for Patrician Inheritance.

 

[Rockphed]

A better, more effective (though significantly harder) idea is to change the Patrician inheritance law to allow dynasts with the Merchant Republic government type, and give the Merchant Republic government type to mayors who have a Family Palace or have a Merchant Republic as any liege. This might need a little more thought.

 

[knppel]

As mentioned, landed kinsmen were excluded from inheriting the patrician house in a more recent patch (Don't ask me why, but that's how it is).
Assuming the game devs will have had reasons for that, I went in line with this with the suggestion, however with the other recent AI patch that encourages it to land kinsmen of vassals opposed to create new dynasties, republics, if halfway succeeding, tend to cripple their families at the same time by granting each other land when taking it, and thus rendering the offspring ineligible to run for Doge (or simply as much as to take over the house) later on.

I personally would prefer a reversion too, no question. Same as other government types, Republics should have the option to let their possible heirs gain valuable experience by governing land.

 

[Metanetwork]

I would prefer if republic governments were eligible to inherit patrician houses. Granting excess titles to your heirs and non-inheriting kinsmen is a good strategy for any other government type, so it should be a good strategy for patricians too.

The current system counter-intuitively lets grand mayors make other patrician houses extinct by granting cities to their heirs, which is gamey and silly.

Alternatively, patricians should be able to make marriage requests on behalf of mayors and lord mayors in their dynasty.

 

[Rockphed]

I would prefer if republic governments were eligible to inherit patrician houses. Granting excess titles to your heirs and non-inheriting kinsmen is a good strategy for any other government type, so it should be a good strategy for patricians too.

The current system counter-intuitively lets grand mayors make other patrician houses extinct by granting cities to their heirs, which is gamey and silly.

Alternatively, patricians should be able to make marriage requests on behalf of mayors and lord mayors in their dynasty.

Landing dynasty members is a two edged sword, even if they can inherit. They would, on the one hand, gain experience, but on the other hand they would miss out on the massive influx of cash that being in the family court gives. Also, their absence would reduce the number of trade posts their family can build.

And I believe the reason landed people were excluded from patrician inheritance is because it was frequently the cause of the merchant republic ceasing to be a merchant republic (mostly by moving the capital inland)

 

[Tryvenyal]

Alternatively, patricians should be able to make marriage requests on behalf of mayors and lord mayors in their dynasty.

In this case we need to allow mere majors(baron tier) to have a court and teach their offspring. But the best would be allow them to inherit patrician titles....