Prestige loss for the event 'A vassal of ours has declared independence'

[Veldmaarschalk]

character_event = {  #A vassal has declared independence.
	id = 6456

	picture = "event_claim"

	#triggered by 6452 action_b or 6453 action_b

	action_a = { #He shall pay!
		effect = { type = prestige value = 50 }
		effect = { type = piety value = -25 }
		effect = { type = random chance = 25
			effect = { type = add_trait value = vengeful }
		}
	}
	action_b = { #He may go in peace.
		effect = { type = prestige scale = -25 }
		effect = { type = piety value = 25 }
		effect = { type = random chance = 25
			effect = { type = add_trait value = forgiving }
		}
	}
}

With this event, you have two options,
Option A gives you + 50 prestige, -25 piety and a chance on the vengefull trait

Option B gives you a scaled prestige loss (don't know waht the -25 means, 25%) which can, when you have about 3 or 4 kingtitles, be as much as minus 2,500 prestige and you get + 25 piety and a chance to become forgiving

Is that difference in prestige loss or gain, a little to big ?

 

[Garbon]

I'm glad you started a topic on this. I think the prestige loss is way too big in action B. Even when I don't want to take another piety hit, I still choose A as the prestige loss in B is way too much.

 

[Yakman]

I agree... but should the event also apply to the "Crusading" independent states as well? I think it should not.

 

[unmerged(48100)]

Actually, it seems to me you get more than these 25 prestige from option a. And the loss in b is really much too high. I don't see why I should do this. Even in VH the rule is one Bishop and there is no problem for some time. While negative prestige is harder to get rid off. And it costs loyalty. So why would one want to do this?

 

[Olaus Petrus]

I agree... but should the event also apply to the "Crusading" independent states as well? I think it should not.

But the event for North African and Middle Eastern vassals to break free is different, it don't give any bad effects, besides that your vassal goes independent.

 

[unmerged(21937)]

I have a nagging suspicion that it might have meant to be "value -25" instead of "scale -25", since scale -25 is utterly ridiculously high. That is 25 years of your prestige gain.

 

[unmerged(48100)]

That seems much better, I hope you will change it to value -25 in the next beta.

 

[unmerged(11427)]

I agree. Option B is not an option. Fixed loss is much better.

 

[unmerged(5822)]

Actually, I would prefer if both were scale = 1 (or something like that).

 

[Garbon]

Actually, I would prefer if both were scale = 1 (or something like that).

I don't as the event is rather silly. Playing as the Byzantine Empire I had that event happen all the time, but as soon as my reputation became respectable again, all those vassals came pledging to me. Rinse and repeat.

 

[unmerged(5822)]

I don't as the event is rather silly. Playing as the Byzantine Empire I had that event happen all the time, but as soon as my reputation became respectable again, all those vassals came pledging to me. Rinse and repeat.

True.

If any prestige is to be gained or lost, though, it should be proportional to what one is already getting - otherwise it's too weak for great realms, compared to small realms.