** Press Conference on the WET **

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(TNT Reporter)

Follow up please. While you have removed General Hartwell as Deputy MDIA does he retain his place as Chief of Staff of the Army or has he been removed from that as well?

 

[I Killed Kenny]

*still wearing his Benfica T-shirt*

damn game.... arg... are you lisening???

okay okay, What will be the measures of the MILE or the MDIA, to face the militia treat and the eco-fascist "army" ??

 

[Blade!]

I am not sure that it has been proven that Hartwell has anything to do with this.... but it will be interesting to see what the political effects of these moves by the executive branch will be.

 

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Originally posted by Hajji Giray I
(Gazette reporter)

Sir, you mention that General Hartwell was "brazen enough to act". What does this mean? Does this mean he was behind the whole thing? If so, why don't you mention him after that?

Thank you, Minister Morgan.

What I meant by that is that I do not believe that Hartwell acted alone, but where as other possible co-conspirators were careful enough to cover their tracks and hide their role, Hartwell took few precautions, almost daring us to catch him. In a way, such an attitude was contemptuous of the government and the police, to act so openly as if we would not see or would be unable to act.

As far as not mentioning him after that, I have simply tried to present the evidence in the reports in a chronological fashion.

There is direct evidence of his recruiting Topa militants involved in the robbery of the armory and more than enough reason to believe he was behind the hiring of the mercenaries and organizing their efforts.

However, it is not my purpose to build a case against Hartwell right now or to level specific charges against him, only to present the facts we have collected to the government and the people of Eutopia.

 

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Originally posted by I_Killed-Kenny
I lost the benfica-lazio game for this???

*matija pass me the pop-corn and the phone...*

So Rev... When will the MILE arrest the lt. General??

That, I do not know. I do not know if criminal charges have been filed against the Lt. General

(Pauses to listen to an ear-piece)

What's that?

Okay, I've just been informed that MILE Lundgren has put out a warrant to bring Hartwell in for questioning.

Again, the decision to arrest or question the Lt. General rests with MILE Lundgren, not with me.

 

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Originally posted by Barkeep49
(TNT Reporter)

Why was no effort made to limit Hartwell's continuing ability to head the Eutopean army?

That is an excellent question.

Minister Morgan's answer is accurate. Attempts were made to keep Hartwell under surveillance, and efforts were made to limit his access to key weapons stores.

It was also hoped that we could use him, unknowingly, to flush out his co-conspirators and learn their plans. His suggestions about "military exercises" for example seemed to provide a legitimate reason to mobilize the armed forces, which could be turned against us.

Let me re-emphazise this point: as clear as the evidence seems now, we were at the time still shocked and unwilling to believe that a supposed patriot would so betray his country.

I had no power through this investigation to remove him from office and could only advise the MDIA and President that there were serious questions about his motives.

As you see, once all of this information was compiled and analyzed, the MDIA acted.

A very good question, thank you.

 

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Originally posted by I_Killed-Kenny
*still wearing his Benfica T-shirt*

damn game.... arg... are you lisening???

okay okay, What will be the measures of the MILE or the MDIA, to face the militia treat and the eco-fascist "army" ??

So who won the game?

Okay, back to your question....

This is a question for the President and the cabinet. The MILE and the MDIA may have recommendations but I would suggest that a coordinated policy be developed to handle this, now that it is all out in the open.

But please don't misunderstand me: there are clearly more conspirators at large, and the government may need to use secrecy in pursuing them. However I think that a public statement about these revelations should be made and a policy developed to react to it.

 

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Originally posted by Barkeep49
(TNT Reporter)

Follow up please. While you have removed General Hartwell as Deputy MDIA does he retain his place as Chief of Staff of the Army or has he been removed from that as well?

I would redirect that back to Minister Morgan.

Charles?

(OOC: By the way, isn't it your turn to draft, dammit! )

 

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Originally posted by Blade!
I am not sure that it has been proven that Hartwell has anything to do with this.... but it will be interesting to see what the political effects of these moves by the executive branch will be.

And that is my point exactly. This was not a trial. Hartwell has not had a chance to defend himself. Frankly, I think he's guilty as hell (please excuse my language) and that his compatriots are lucky that I didn't include them because I didn't feel I had enough evidence to drag them into this without 100% certainty of their exact role.

But does he have a role with the militias, other than arming certain segments of the Topa? Is there any tie between him and the Eco-Fascists? My investigation did not produce enough evidence to link him directly to the other events going on in the WET.

Personally, I believe much of the WET disorder was originally stirred up by the MEOSR, but that they let a genie out of the bottle which they cannot control.

I had actually begun to believe that the MEOSR had disbanded, thanks to the President's policies, but there are too many unanswered questions: the role of the WET police, the disappearence of Dr. Vlamninck, (OOC: You know, Archie! ), and the flow of the stolen weapons to many hands beyond those working for Hartwell to pin all of this on the Lt. General.

 

[HJ Tulp]

*calls through the phone*

Bullshit, sorry but this is one of the most stupidest thing's I've ever seen on television since the Bold and the Beautiful Christmas special.

WE HAVE NO SPECIAL FORCES!!!
How in bloody name could we send special forces into the WET if there are NONE!

The Military can't have stormed the Eco-facist compound as the only forces that are in the vicinity of the WET are the Marines in Kirby and they haven't left Kirby since the civis didn't trust them.

Do you really think that General Hartwell would be stupid enough to use the account of the EUtopian Military? Not that I think that the EUtopian Military had any money on it but still.

General Hartwell is just like me and a whole bunch of other people strongly against the Topa uprising and just like me and a whole bunch of other people he want's to go in with force.
Do you really think that if someone wants to fight somewhere he's going to give his enemies weapons?

Offcourse General Hartwell didn't wanted to go, he's a flyboy for crying out loud. He has, just like me, not much knowledge about how to make conclusions on land. He did also know the state of the EUtopian Military which is a state in which it can't be deployed abroad. However General Hartwell hates to be ordered around by civis so he eventually went.

Why do civis havent't got any knowledge of time?
I told it to the MDIA, the last large excersise was Operation "Viking Raid" in ironically the WET. That was during IIRC the Murmerandus Administration. The recommendation was to have one every year!

All your evidence is bullshit Mr. Heagerty.
At most Gen. Hartwell was bittered about the gov. doing nothing against the rebellion and send some guys over there to do something about it. nothing serious. However, you use it as a way into turning EUtopia into a police state, police arresting everyone and his mother. Disgraceble

 

[Deaghaidh]

A question, why would the conspirators want to arm the very people they hired mercenaries to attack? It defies common sense.

 

[System Lord]

OOC haha I just knew you were out to get me Blade! hehe

 

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Originally posted by HJ Tulp
*calls through the phone*

All your evidence is bullshit Mr. Heagerty.
At most Gen. Hartwell was bittered about the gov. doing nothing against the rebellion and send some guys over there to do something about it. nothing serious. However, you use it as a way into turning EUtopia into a police state, police arresting everyone and his mother. Disgraceble

(OOC: If this is IC, it's appropriate (though wrong), but don't use my real name and keep it in IC. If this is not IC, then you owe me a serious apology.)

 

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Originally posted by HJ Tulp
*calls through the phone*

Bullshit, sorry but this is one of the most stupidest thing's I've ever seen on television since the Bold and the Beautiful Christmas special.

WE HAVE NO SPECIAL FORCES!!!
How in bloody name could we send special forces into the WET if there are NONE!

The Military can't have stormed the Eco-facist compound as the only forces that are in the vicinity of the WET are the Marines in Kirby and they haven't left Kirby since the civis didn't trust them.

Do you really think that General Hartwell would be stupid enough to use the account of the EUtopian Military? Not that I think that the EUtopian Military had any money on it but still.

General Hartwell is just like me and a whole bunch of other people strongly against the Topa uprising and just like me and a whole bunch of other people he want's to go in with force.
Do you really think that if someone wants to fight somewhere he's going to give his enemies weapons?

Offcourse General Hartwell didn't wanted to go, he's a flyboy for crying out loud. He has, just like me, not much knowledge about how to make conclusions on land. He did also know the state of the EUtopian Military which is a state in which it can't be deployed abroad. However General Hartwell hates to be ordered around by civis so he eventually went.

Why do civis havent't got any knowledge of time?
I told it to the MDIA, the last large excersise was Operation "Viking Raid" in ironically the WET. That was during IIRC the Murmerandus Administration. The recommendation was to have one every year!

All your evidence is bullshit Mr. Heagerty.
At most Gen. Hartwell was bittered about the gov. doing nothing against the rebellion and send some guys over there to do something about it. nothing serious. However, you use it as a way into turning EUtopia into a police state, police arresting everyone and his mother. Disgraceble

(OOC: Let's assume that this WAS IC, and I'll address it, S#!tty as is it...)

(Sigh) And this is what I get for NOT mentioning YOU in this report. Yes, Vice-Admiral, or whatever you are, we know all about your communications with Hartwell.

If this was a witch-hunt, or politically motivated, don't worry, YOU would be one fo the first to take down.

However, it's not. All of this is based on the FACTUAL evidence which has been presented above.

Maybe you don't read the newspapers or maybe you don't know about as much about the military as you think you do. Everything presented here has been verified.

Yes, there are holes in the entire plot that's why ALL (ahem) the conspirators have not been exposed. We only presented what we had rock solid evidence of. If you can't see that, then maybe you've been spending too much time in the wrong parts of Amsterdam.

You claim to be so bloody patriotic. Here's direct evidence of treasonous acts and you want to deny it or cover it up. That really says something about your character.

You are the one that is disusting, and you have no right to wear that uniform.

 

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Originally posted by HJ Tulp
*calls through the phone*

Bullshit, sorry but this is one of the most stupidest thing's I've ever seen on television since the Bold and the Beautiful Christmas special.

WE HAVE NO SPECIAL FORCES!!!
How in bloody name could we send special forces into the WET if there are NONE!

The Military can't have stormed the Eco-facist compound as the only forces that are in the vicinity of the WET are the Marines in Kirby and they haven't left Kirby since the civis didn't trust them.

Do you really think that General Hartwell would be stupid enough to use the account of the EUtopian Military? Not that I think that the EUtopian Military had any money on it but still.

General Hartwell is just like me and a whole bunch of other people strongly against the Topa uprising and just like me and a whole bunch of other people he want's to go in with force.
Do you really think that if someone wants to fight somewhere he's going to give his enemies weapons?

Offcourse General Hartwell didn't wanted to go, he's a flyboy for crying out loud. He has, just like me, not much knowledge about how to make conclusions on land. He did also know the state of the EUtopian Military which is a state in which it can't be deployed abroad. However General Hartwell hates to be ordered around by civis so he eventually went.

Why do civis havent't got any knowledge of time?
I told it to the MDIA, the last large excersise was Operation "Viking Raid" in ironically the WET. That was during IIRC the Murmerandus Administration. The recommendation was to have one every year!

All your evidence is bullshit Mr. Heagerty.
At most Gen. Hartwell was bittered about the gov. doing nothing against the rebellion and send some guys over there to do something about it. nothing serious. However, you use it as a way into turning EUtopia into a police state, police arresting everyone and his mother. Disgraceble

(OOC: And if you don't agree with this evidence, take it up with Blade! not me. Read HIS articles in the Newlink and read HIS PMs.)

 

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Originally posted by Deaghaidh
A question, why would the conspirators want to arm the very people they hired mercenaries to attack? It defies common sense.

Mr. Deaghaidh ,

Until Lt. Gen. Hartwell is questioned, we can only speculate, and even then there is no guarantee he will answer truthfully.

One theory is that this action was not the end-goal, but rather one step in a larger plan.

If the conspirators wanted to justify the use of large-scale military action, they would need the excuse of armed violence on a major scale. That requires arms on both sides. By providing arms to private militias in the WET, then attempting to assassinate WET leaders, this could be used as the flashpoint for igniting revolts and violence throughout the island, requiring intervention from the armed forces.

Or, if the end-goal was just to promote armed insurgency by the Topa against the government, the Topa would first need to have weapons, then they would need to be angered to the point of using them against the government. If this conspiracy had been successful, you tell me, would the Topa have seen our current government as unable or unwilling to protect them? Could they have been incited to violence or perhaps declaring their own autonomy and backing it up with armed resistance?

If you will note what has been revealed by the Mercenaries, that they were to "pretend" to be slain by the military officers, this poses an interesting scenario as well. Perhaps the goal was to arm the Topa, and others in the WET, to have some attack launched against them, then to have "heroic military officers" come in and save them by killing the attackers in order to secure WET loyalty to them.

It is clear that the assassination was staged, but whether the goal was simply to throw the WET into chaos and anti-government outrage or if it was to secure the loyalty of WET militias for a coup d'etat, is unknown.


Please notice, as well, Hartwell's statements trying to link the mercenaries to the Topa. You correctly identified that as ludicrous when he made that statement. His involvement in this affair is clear and documented. Now the question to ask is why he did this? And why would he try to place the blame back on the Topa?


I would welcome your thoughts on this.

 

[Deaghaidh]

I suspected at the time a hidden motive behind the scapegoating of the Topa, it is true. But we have been looking into the source of the weapons and can neither confirm nor deny their origins (see Farpoint Vigilance Comittiee). I would advise the government to refrain from any provocative action as regards the WET, as suspicion falls equally in the eyes of many upon the government.

 

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Mr. Deaghaidh,

As we've said, we believe the weapons we are seeing in the WET are the ones stolen from the armed forces depot by the Topa recruited by Hartwell. Howeve,r how other groups have obtained similar weapons, whether they are from the cache same, whether they were acquired through our military, or whether they come from another source I do not know.

However, if these weapons, are, in fact, stolen military surplus, they not only pose a security threat, they are also evidence in a crime and were certainly not intended for civilian use.

How can we retrieve these weapons that are illegally held? Short of sending in the armed police, that is? Do you have any suggestions? Surely you would agree that the situation would be more stable without so many firearms?

Jack Teano

 

[HJ Tulp]

Originally posted by heagarty
(OOC: If this is IC, it's appropriate (though wrong), but don't use my real name and keep it in IC. If this is not IC, then you owe me a serious apology.)

OOC: offcourse it was OOC, sorry about the name

 

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Originally posted by HJ Tulp
OOC: offcourse it was OOC, sorry about the name

OOC: OK, sorry. Hard day at work when I read it.