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...huh, I always thought the AI had access to precursors, which is why I usually was in a bit of a rush to nab them. They did in really old versions of stellaris, at least.
 

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The question of nerfing or boosting largely comes down to the fact that the AI never gets the benefits of precursors. If all of the chains are boosted, the player will have a significant advantage over the AI, who would need to be compensated in some other way to stay competitive.
So let the AI do the precusor chains too. More cool stuff in the galaxy seems like a win to me.
 

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If the cybrex gave you a finished ringworld just with 4/5ths blocked, it would be OP too. Since it requires repairs, it is at present typically the weakest.

So, if first league gave you a planet that required mega engineering and alloys to repair, things might be different. Personally I thought a ruined interstellar assembly would have made more sense. In that vein, the yuht might have a ruined/incomplete sensor, the irassians a strategic command center, etc...
 

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Honestly, I prefer Irass system to the Cybrex.

I haven't got the First League yet but I fear I'll do the same as I do with the Worm: ignore it because it's so goddamn strong lol.
 

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Worm planets don't have any resource districts now. Good for Ecumenopolis conversion and urban worlds though.

The Cybrex one is probably the weakest. Since you an only repair 1 section at a time your 1st GW should probably be the matter decompressor anyway.

Best one apart from 1st league is probably Irass. Whatever one have the 5 gas and the 10/10/10 research planet its a great research boost early and 5 gas is all sorts of useful early which can be 5 upgraded research stations.
 

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One way to beef up the other three Precursors is to give megastructures for their homeworlds too. I floated a proposal in the suggestions forum last week:

Irassians: Science Nexus
Yuht: Sentry Array
Vultanuum: Mega Art Installation
 

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They should all give something that's gated behind an ascension park imo. Be it a megastructure, ecumenopolis, colossus, or something else (not yet developed for the game, those three are all there is right now I think), but as the game develops that's the kind of reward you should get.
agreed.

For the First League, I wonder, if a ruined stellar assembly wouldn't fit more with the theme. Even though that again seems a bit lackluster.
If Fen Habbanis were smaller and even more devasted, it would get closer to being balanced again.
Say, if it were only size 8-10 with all but 3 districts blocked (and even more expensive blockers). A size 10 ecumenopolis still is rather strong, providing enough housing for scores of specialists. Considering that of the 10 districts, say, 6 or 7 could reasonably be used for foundries, that is still 70 jobs or more than 200 alloys/month.
 

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Fen Habbanis should be like Feros: an ecumenopolis that's been so badly damaged and corroded that it might as well be a tomb world. It'll still have some useful deposits to make it worth your while, but actually restoring it to working condition should take decades at least.
 

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Can someone correct me? I don't think the AI get any event chains. Certainly they can benefit from any chains you complete. Am I wrong?

The AI does get event chains and can complete them, which they do in the case of, say, the L Gate.
 

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A way to balance the cybrex.

When you discover the system, scan everything, and take the system, you get an alert, something is odd with one of the sections. The section, although heavily damaged, is still habitable. Now you have a size 50 gaia world without minerals so you can grow it to where it starts at similar level to the first league. Exact level, no. But not at a bad one either.
 

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Can someone correct me? I don't think the AI get any event chains. Certainly they can benefit from any chains you complete. Am I wrong?

The AI used to get some events at least before 2.2. The dragon egg event triggered for them for example as I have seen AI empires with the immature dragon. The self-modification event triggered for the AI too.
 

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Fen Habbanis should be like Feros: an ecumenopolis that's been so badly damaged and corroded that it might as well be a tomb world. It'll still have some useful deposits to make it worth your while, but actually restoring it to working condition should take decades at least.

Could be just having every blocker not cleared give an habitability malnus, like -5% habitability.
 

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I got the First League quest finished by 2225 in one game. I don't really have anything to say other than that, you can guess how it went.

IMO, a good way to balance it would be to have all of the quest rewards start out with a ruined megastructure (or ecumenopolis) and move the ability to repair them to something that can be obtained much earlier. Like make it a T4 tech that only pops up if a damage megastructure (or ecumenopolis) is in your territory.
 

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The AI does get event chains and can complete them, which they do in the case of, say, the L Gate.

The AI USED to have access to the Precursor chains, but players complained about being beaten to the homeworlds so AI were locked out of the chains in a previous patch. If giving AI access meant that all five Precursor homeworlds could be genuinely rewarding without unbalancing the game then I'd make that trade in an instant, especially now that the trend is towards the home systems being rewarding in themselves rather than having most of the benefit go to the first to arrive. Even if you are beaten to the discovery, now you have reason to TAKE that system with the ruined ringworld/ecu/whatever else they add from the lucky AI.
 

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IMO, you shouldn't be able to colonize it until you have researched Zero-G Engineering, much like you can't do anything with the Cybrex system until you research Mega Engineering.
 

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Best one apart from 1st league is probably Irass. Whatever one have the 5 gas and the 10/10/10 research planet its a great research boost early and 5 gas is all sorts of useful early which can be 5 upgraded research stations.
If I say differences in scale and differences in kind does it ring a bell? Yeah 5 gas may be powerful it is however classic differences in scale, the only thing making it unique is that it has few more gas deposits then you usually find, it may be useful but it is mind numbingly boring.
One way to beef up the other three Precursors is to give megastructures for their homeworlds too. I floated a proposal in the suggestions forum last week:

Irassians: Science Nexus
Yuht: Sentry Array
Vultanuum: Mega Art Installation
Sounds nice.