Precursor chain event started "Please anything but the First League"

[Piotrzeci]

Completing the First League chain awards an Ecumonopolis with a lot of tile blockers, but it's just too strong. At the point when you can get it 5 special districts is more than enough and there isn't even a need to clear any blockers. One foundry district can fund the whole alloy economy and it's generally way too strong for this stage of the game. I would either restart or don't follow the event chain, because planet like that will only ruin my fun and sense of challenge.
Can there be anything limiting the strength of this planet? Maybe a debuff to pop resource output until some expensive project is done?

 

[The Boz]

Precursors really need to be balanced, their rewards now are all over the place. First League is miles ahead of Cybrex, which is miles ahead of the other three.

 

[Althizor]

I disagree with cybrex being number 2. It does nothing until you have mega engineering, and I don't really find ring worlds to be a very exciting prospect. Since I can only build one mega structure at a time, I'd rather just build another than repair cybrex.

First league is stupid powerful though, yes.

 

[Bearjuden]

A bit of a nerf to ecumenopoli is probably in order when the devs get back - someone suggested halving the housing and jobs of the three non-residential districts and I think that's a good place to start. Additionally if there was a way to have a "ruined ecumenopolis" that you can only fix once you have the Arcology Project ascension perk that would bring it in line more with the Cybrex Ring World (which iirc starts out ruined).

Precursors really need to be balanced

They should all give something that's gated behind an ascension park imo. Be it a megastructure, ecumenopolis, colossus, or something else (not yet developed for the game, those three are all there is right now I think), but as the game develops that's the kind of reward you should get.

 

[trajan]

While I agree that ecumenopoli need a bit of a nerf, why change the whole First League chain because you think they're too powerful early game? Just don't colonize it. Or do what you're doing now and don't follow the event chain.

 

[AlanC9]

I dunno about Cybrex being good. A Ringworld is nice, yeah, but the tech you need to get something from it is so deep into the game that everything should be wrapped up by the time you get it. I'd rather have the immediate payoff from one of the other options. Getting a 10/10/10 research station can be better than picking the TA perk in the early game.

 

[Piotrzeci]

While I agree that ecumenopoli need a bit of a nerf, why change the whole First League chain because you think they're too powerful early game? Just don't colonize it. Or do what you're doing now and don't follow the event chain.

That isn't a solid solution. First of all it isn't good feeling to put limitations on yourself, because it would be too easy if you didn't.
And secondly I want a reward. Other outcomes give planets with good research on them and valuable systems. If you don't colonize Fen Habbanis, then there isn't a reward. (only points and unity). It's far from ideal and in my opinion it should be nerfed.

 

[Novacat]

I disagree with cybrex being number 2. It does nothing until you have mega engineering, and I don't really find ring worlds to be a very exciting prospect. Since I can only build one mega structure at a time, I'd rather just build another than repair cybrex.

First league is stupid powerful though, yes.

As bad as Ringworlds are right now, getting one is still better than the fat gooseegg you get with the other three precursors.

 

[Strangedane]

Fen habbanis is way too strong currently.

Blocking all the districts and giving it a scaling production penalty until they are all cleared could be a good start.
Same goes for the pop growth modifier.
-3% growth/production per tileblocker shoud go a long way along with all 25 districts starting blocked.

Also, i was sorely dissappointed that there is no events related to clearing the districts.
Could be nice with some fluff pieces.
That goes for the cybrex ringworld as well though.

 

[Mikhail_Mengsk]

There are maps of the various Galaxy Sizes with all the Precursors highlighted. You can check your position in the map, consult the Precursor Map and see if you are likely to get the First League or not. If you are adamant in not playing the FL Precursor Quest at all, that saves you time, albeit spoiling what other Precursor you'll get.

Generally speaking, the FL spawns

Spoiler

In a sort of "stripe" that goes from galactic North-North-West to South-South-East of the Galactic Core. Like this: \ with the Core in the middle. But depends on the size of the Galaxy.

 

[Mavkiel]

Yeah not sure about this oh lets nerf stuff. How about instead bring the others in line? Make the cybrex like the first league. All the worlds are habitable, but require lots of cleaning. For the others, I'm sure they can think of something

 

[The Boz]

I dunno about Cybrex being good. A Ringworld is nice, yeah, but the tech you need to get something from it is so deep into the game that everything should be wrapped up by the time you get it. I'd rather have the immediate payoff from one of the other options. Getting a 10/10/10 research station can be better than picking the TA perk in the early game.

I didn't say it's good. I said it's better than the shyte the other 3 get.

 

[Piotrzeci]

Yeah not sure about this oh lets nerf stuff. How about instead bring the others in line? Make the cybrex like the first league. All the worlds are habitable, but require lots of cleaning. For the others, I'm sure they can think of something

It's not really the problem that the First League is better than other Precursors, but that it's too good. It's a 25 size Ecumonopolis at the time you can't yet create your own. And the first 5 districts are as effective as they would be on a brand-new Ecumonopolis. You can build a district on it, but really it gives more jobs than your economy is ready for... and it is size 25, with 5 districts that can be built immediately. It's too strong.

 

[stavern]

I like Cybrex personally and just do restart until empire is created in low left corner. Will sooner or later get a Cybrex anamoly from there. First league is low right i think.

 

[AlanC9]

I didn't say it's good. I said it's better than the shyte the other 3 get.

And I was disagreeing with you. Like I said, I like getting that research payoff. I'll take that over a late-game ringworld anytime. By the time I can use Cybrex Alpha, the game is effectively over.

 

[TheDungen]

Perhaps if clearing the titleblockers on fen habanis costed alloys instead of energy credits?

Or maybe archologies could cost alloys instead of minerals to build.

 

[Aed]

Can we please not nerf the First League? Honestly Stellaris already suffers from the Devs nerfing everything into mundanity because of fears of OPness (I miss you old enigmatic fortress). It sucks the fun out of the game because all the payoffs end up being some minor generic boost . Things like the Precursor events should give strong, even game changing, rewards, but require significant investment of time and resources to get them

Just make the First League much harder to complete so people aren't getting it in the early game. And have only one free district and make the tile blockers more expensive to clear.

The other Precursors need to be buffed as well. The Cybrex could be good but is gimped by the current crappiness of Ring worlds, which I'd argue need to be allowed access to Habitat districts to make them useful again. The others could give you things like special powerful technologies, unique permanent empire buffs or unique capabilities, basically things that can only be gained from that event, rather than some one off dump of resources you currently get.

 

[TheDungen]

Can we please not nerf the First League? Honestly Stellaris already suffers from the Devs nerfing everything into mundanity because of fears of OPness (I miss you old enigmatic fortress). It sucks the fun out of the game because all the payoffs end up being some minor generic boost . Things like the Precursor events should give strong, even game changing, rewards, but require significant investment of time and resources to get them

Just make the First League much harder to complete so people aren't getting it in the early game. And have only one free district and make the tile blockers more expensive to clear.

The other Precursors need to be buffed as well. The Cybrex could be good but is gimped by the current crappiness of Ring worlds, which I'd argue need to be allowed access to Habitat districts to make them useful again. The others could give you things like special powerful technologies, unique permanent empire buffs or unique capabilities, basically things that can only be gained from that event, rather than some one off dump of resources you currently get.

Don't make it harder to find just have it take more time and resources to unlock the full potential of, like Cybrex Alpha. For an example like I suggested earlier by either clearing the ruined arcologies or building new ones costing alloys. Which one depends on if regular ecumonopolises are in need of nerfing or not.

Also adding a ruined megastrcuture to the remaining precoursor home systems would go a long way to make them more appealing. I had it modded that way but chose not to update that mod in the last patch because they said they had buffed the others... and then it turned out it was something like 10 gasses... yay what a buff.

 

[trajan]

That isn't a solid solution. First of all it isn't good feeling to put limitations on yourself, because it would be too easy if you didn't.
And secondly I want a reward. Other outcomes give planets with good research on them and valuable systems. If you don't colonize Fen Habbanis, then there isn't a reward. (only points and unity). It's far from ideal and in my opinion it should be nerfed.

But it is a solid solution to nerf it for everyone because you don't like it. Got it.

 

[dostillevi]

The question of nerfing or boosting largely comes down to the fact that the AI never gets the benefits of precursors. If all of the chains are boosted, the player will have a significant advantage over the AI, who would need to be compensated in some other way to stay competitive.