I went ahead with a preorder on Gamersgate. I've just never been much of a fan of Steam.
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The game is Steam only. The description on GamersGate also states that you will need Steam to play the game (GamersGate will just give you a Steam key).
May I ask why? IMO Steam is the same as most of the other online distributors; GOG, Origin etc.
Not necessarily, Origin is exclusive to EA published games only, where as Steam is more universal and is generally more popular.
When I made the comparison to Origin I was just giving an example (albeit maybe a bad one; "herp de derp, I hate Origin" incoming). I don't care about Origin or your opinions of it, nor am I going to reply to anymore Origin-related posts if you make any because that's off topic. I made the comparison as Origin is also a program which you have to run in the background if you want to play a game you bought from them, not the fact that they sell different things or whatever (I put GOG in there as there is a hidden program which runs in the background when you play a game from them, it slows down some specific games (e.g. Empire Earth, mouse cursor slow)).
All I was asking him is why he doesn't like Steam, that's all.
All I was asking him is why he doesn't like Steam, that's all.
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Is it arrogant to present demands which are normal for a customer paying for a product?
I hate download-only cause having the game 'on a shelf' has always been a great way of storing games. I am willing to pay the difference to have it pressed on DVD, and I am far from being alone so that's reasonable request sicne Paradox doesn't fullfill my littler personal needs but a whole part of the gaming community.
Moreover, I hate Steam because it makes games relying (and being imprisoned by) external software.
Won't anyone learn from the GameSpy experience? They cut servers, making multiplyer not working for old games... Now Steam does the same... for the whole game (and not only for the multiplayer part).
What will happen when Steam won't be available anymore for the games I wanna play, ie in 10 years? I'll have my own eyes to cry.
Steam has no benefit for the customers, only for games company and serves only as a DRM-manager (which failed its goal, cracked releases still exist).
That's also a kind of a spy-program which monitors when you connect, from where, which games you own, when you use them, etc.
I am not interested in anything monitoring my life. My freedom does not have any price.
I pay to own a product fully with no other counterparts than the price I paid when I bought it, and the freedom of playing it when I want, where I want, whitout having to rely on anything else than the computer I own.
Is that arrogant? Taht sounds just fair to me :blink:
There are other game companies which are small bu provide good software without any malware linked to it. So far SCS Software did a nice job with its Euro Truck Simulator 2.
No DRM. Available without Steam. DVD release possible. Not unreachable prices.
They listen to their community and make efforts to please it.
They can have my money, I'm glad to support their vision.
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That's just not true. Steam adds quite much to your gaming experience, like (group)chats, which can be used during your game session via the Steam-overlay, quick searching for help online without quitting the game through the Steam browser, the Steam workshop, which makes mods easily accessible for inexperienced players, the whole community where you can discuss, share screenshots, automatic updates, etc.
Of course, there are things not ideal about Steam, like it's not always running flawless, but neither is it malware (those data collecting functions are all opt-in) nor will it vanish from one day to another.
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I bought a steam money card for 100.00 dollars on last thursday and paid for my game for CIM 2
Valve only runs servers for their own games.
Because that kind of information is interesting for anyone. By the way, this forum knows your e-mail adress. Is that also a freedom violation?
I am not talking about multiplayer servers for the Steam case.
I am talking about the fact you need their servers to authenticate.
If I install the game shipped with Steam in 10 years and that Steam doesn't exist, I won't be able to play.
You credit card number is also interesting for anyone.
The email address I provided on this board is the result of my choice creating an account here. The risks associated with anything potentially happening to my account or email address are minimal.
Congrats for trying to troll me without understanding honestly what I a talking about.
I only ask for the choice not to install Steam malware.
It is indeed a malware, since it gathers sensitive information about my life and my gaming habits. I never asked for this.
Steam is hostile to my privacy and is intrusive since I can't get rid of it to play the game it is shipped with.
The only benefit for Steam is cutting costs for the publisher which basically just incorporate Steam application in their own and put it to download on their servers.
The counterpart is selling away customers privacy, but they seem not to care about that, there do not realize there is income impact for them (since talking companies about anything else than money seems to be useless).
For 30€ (nor much more than 20€), small companies still sell clean games pressed on DVD.
For the last time, I don't understand we (customers) are being forced into tie-in sale. I'd rather be paid to install Steam out of my own will.
Bought the pre-order a while ago.
This game sounds astoundingly amazing. Add that with all the listening-to-community stuff, I'd do anything to get the game. Including installing Steam (though I had already done so for CitiesXL and Civ V, actually).
Really, I wouldn't give up such a great game just because of a petty barrier like Steam.
...although I myself said the same thing for SimCity and Origin. I guess I'm on a different level of tolerance lol.
This game sounds astoundingly amazing. Add that with all the listening-to-community stuff, I'd do anything to get the game. Including installing Steam (though I had already done so for CitiesXL and Civ V, actually).
Really, I wouldn't give up such a great game just because of a petty barrier like Steam.
...although I myself said the same thing for SimCity and Origin. I guess I'm on a different level of tolerance lol.
Steam will exist. It's run by a company, who made a great success with their product, and they're not going to halt it, just because someone says so.
Do you need to put your credit card number into your Steam account?
Then I must congratulate you for your broad thinking. You are talking about privacy, and Steam abusing it, while they don't even know your name. They know that there is a player, with an email adress, that has some games, and plays them from time to time. You said something about "risks". What are the risks associated with using Steam? Tell me, please.
Please, educate yourself and use the term 'malware' in the right meaning.
You can play games with Steam set to offline modus. If you want to install the game in ten years I bet there will be "other ways" to do so, if Steam should not be around anymore.
You do have this choice. Don't buy the game. It's that easy.
Not to mention that Steam essentially combines retailer and publisher. Yes, you still pay the same for the game, but you ensure there is one less middleman in the question, and the associated shipping and packaging costs which add up much to the retail price.
Without steam I would find it hard to buy $20 games (at least at release) since there is no way for a company to distribute them profitably.
As per steam as malware, if you really care, just start a fresh gmail account and tie a fresh steam account to this. Anyway, we should accept that as long as you are connected to the internet you have zero privacy - which imho is overvalued.
I was answering on the fact you made the amalgam of considering divulging information 'interesting for anyone' as harmless.
The credit card was an example, please read again the past posts, you seem to lose yourself here.
Since when have you needed to justify your requirements for privacy and freedom?
If I put some cameras in your house to record your movements, telling you we don't collect your name nor your postal address to identify you, then asking you why you would refuse such an inquiry since it does not do any harm to you, what would be your answer? Wouldn't it be something like 'But why do you want to put those cameras in my house in the first place?!'?
I don't want that malware anywhere on my computer. By doing that simple thing, how come I suddenly become the problem?
I just proved I stricly applied a widely-accepted definition.
My turn to give you advice:
Please open your mind and stand aside broadly-spreaded manichean views on good/bad to start thinking by yourself and seeing things for what they are, not what they claim to be.
That's not a choice. That's a false one.
You seem to have no valid arguments and misunderstand irony.
You keep comparing, but you specified no risks of using Steam.
I am aware of what kind of information I give to people and I know I won't have any problems with that. If you are afraid of giving too much information about yourself, don't blame that on Steam nor the game publisher using it. By the way, if you still don't know, malware is software that collects information without your knowledge and without letting you choose the data to provide.
The decision to link the game with Steam is CO's; we don't have a right to demand a standalone game that runs without Steam. I don't think there is a physical copy of this game either (of course, I may be woefully wrong).
The replies recently have been straying further and further from the supposed content of this topic: I don't want to sound like I'm backseat moderating, because that's sort of wrong, too, but can we all please cool down? We are, after all, just excited about a game and want to play it with as little inconvenience (or as much convenience, depending on your point of view) as possible.
The replies recently have been straying further and further from the supposed content of this topic: I don't want to sound like I'm backseat moderating, because that's sort of wrong, too, but can we all please cool down? We are, after all, just excited about a game and want to play it with as little inconvenience (or as much convenience, depending on your point of view) as possible.
Not really. Origin is the crappiest game distribution app ever
I agree, my payments never go through with the payment authorization failure message and EA is not able to fix it.
Of course, I never even considered buying it from there since my library's on Steam, and there goes my CIM2 pre-order!