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Hyperbole? He didn't make any objective claims other than that your analysis was flawed, so where was the hyperbole?

(I'm not interested in becoming part of the conflict between the two of you, I just don't get what you're talking about here.)

Reasonable question. Here's where I see hyperbole:

@Olden Weiss
It is amazing that you go into a long explanation of corporate finance and business principles while apparently lacking basic knowledge about the subject, which is obvious from the first three paragraphs (not even knowing basic rules of financial reporting of public companies).

Want to support PDX by pre-ordering something? Fine, your choice. But I do not think you should be mentoring others on the matter you have little knowledge about.

He supposes I know nothing on the topic of corporate finance without citing any evidence of his claim. (I went looking for his evidence and appear to have instead proven my own suppositions correct, for what it's worth.)
 
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I personally think that preorder is worth it. I have read every DD and watch most of the streams and I am impressed.
 
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@Olden Weiss
Excuse me, but please learn what “capitalized development” means, the difference between tangible and intangible assets, the implied time difference between the income statement and balance sheet. I do not want to write a long post to educate you here. This dicussion is already off-topic.
Your original statement that I pointed out was “$3.1 bn is largely tied up in assets like offices and warehouses”, which has nothing to do with reality. So please really stop this “fake news” about PDX :)
 
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Excuse me, but please learn what “capitalized development” means, the difference between tangible and intangible assets, the implied time difference between the income statement and balance sheet. I do not want to write a long post to educate you here. This dicussion is already off-topic.
Your original statement that I pointed out was “$3.1 bn is largely tied up in assets like offices and warehouses”, which has nothing to do with reality. So please really stop this “fake news” about PDX :)

We're getting insanely off topic, but capitalized development means exactly what I stated: Cost added to existing fixed assets when building or purchasing new assets. Granted, these costs aren't immediate expenses, but that wasn't my point. My point was to indicate that a sizable portion of the financial report for the period that PDF covers is related to these assets.

If you want a legal definition for reference, here you are:

Capitalized Development Costs means development cost (including land and building for out of service assets during development or redevelopment) capitalized in accordance with GAAP. Development costs for a Property on which development or redevelopment has been completed for at least 12 months or which has achieved an occupancy rate of at least 85% (determined, in the case of redevelopment, with respect to the portion of such Property undergoing redevelopment) shall be excluded from Capitalized Development Costs.

And I'll direct you back to this point as well:

  • Cash and cash equivalents amounted to $28.73M of the company's ~$3.1B net worth. That means around 0.9% of the company's total net worth was, at the time of posting and during this financial period, attributable to cash or assets that can be immediately converted to cash.

That $3.1 billion has to be invested somewhere. If cash and cash equivalents amounted to $28.73 million during a period in which nearly $150 million in revenue was reported, we can surmise that the company is in fact investing a great deal of their money into assets and development. Nearly 40% of the period's revenue went into development costs, for heaven's sake.

Might I have overestimated on how much was invested in hard assets? Possibly. So for argument's sake, let's assume I did. Let's assume that value is actually quite small compared to competitors. To presume I know nothing of corporate economics, and thus that PDX is in fact sitting on wads of cash amounting to nearly $3 billion USD, would mean ignoring the entirety of the rest of my post and pointing at a single misstated assumption.

The fact remains that you've called me a fraud on the grounds that allegedly, public companies are required to provide open access to spreadsheets listing every asset they own. You've yet to provide me with such data, and I've yet to find it. What I did find is their financial report for 2019, and I've listed all the data therein which proves my argument that the company is not sitting pretty on a throne of dollar bills.

I don't like getting off-topic anymore than you do, but respectfully, I'm not going to sit here and let a stranger call me a liar without evidence when I've presented plenty to support my own stance.
 
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from the year report


During the year we launched three brand new games. First to release was Imperator: Rome in April. Imperator: Rome is developed by Paradox Development Studio in Stockholm and is our fifth active grand strategy game. The game was very well received by the industry media at launch, but less positively by our fans.

You can say that paradox. ;)
 
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from the year report

During the year we launched three brand new games. First to release was Imperator: Rome in April. Imperator: Rome is developed by Paradox Development Studio in Stockholm and is our fifth active grand strategy game. The game was very well received by the industry media at launch, but less positively by our fans.
You can say that paradox. ;)

More reassurance that they're honest, I suppose! :)
 
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I'm not going to pre order, as we don't know the content of the DLC which will be included in the royal edition, and the HRE cosmetics I don't really care about, I will most likely get the game on release though
 
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If you do decide to pre-order it, I'd recommend doing so through Steam. They have a no questions asked refund policy as long as you a) ask for a refund within two weeks of game release, and b) haven't played more than two hours of the game. While two hours is very little time, it's hopefully enough to know if you even want the game or not.
You don't even have to limit yourself to those two hours, I reckon. If you have the money to spare, you could pre-order and get the Xbox Gamepass trial for $1, play CK3 there (not on Steam) for a week or so, then decide if you like it or not.

If you do like it, then you have the full game plus the first expansions for less money; if you don't, you can ask for the refund, since you'll still be eligible for it. Then do whatever you want with the Xbox Gamepass.
 
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If you're on this forum everyday, play CK2 a whole lot, bought a lot or all of the DLCs for it but still have not bought pre-order then come on, you're just fooling yourself here. We all know whatchu gon' do.

Anything short of that then it's a gamble if the game is good or not to you. According to published materials so far you could have made a solid decision by now. If you're still on the fence up until now then absolutely pre-order is not worth it for you.

Just my two cents.
 
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Hi,

I have not followed much the dev diaries, streams, etc. related to CK3. I was disappointed by the release version of Imperator Rome due to a lack of content and interesting mechanics worth to play around. How does CK3 fair in this regard? I would expect that CK2 will have overall more content due to years of DLCs, but does CK3 provide enough new mechanics and ideas to compensate for that? How does the AI performance look like?

My honest opinion is that I:R is a good game for what it is.. the issue is that it wants to be a bard and bards are avarage at everything, but master of none.. That is its biggest flaw. Then you also have to factor in, that it is based on a "minor" series, that did not have much pull to begin with. (I have logged over 100 hours in I:R and personally am happy about buying it, it will not be a go to game, but it was fun)

This being said.. You should go look up the thread 8most likely someone already linked it) about all the changes and addition we will get in CK3. If you buy on steam, you can always refund a game if you did not play over 2 hours (but lets be honest, before we have even started to really play the game, 8 hours have passed)

My opinion is.. even if you don´t want to spoil yourself with to much information, go look up atleast some of the DD, they provice good insight and knowledge about what you can expect.
 
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