"Powerful Vassals" want a place on the useless Council?

[Enriador]

I have reformed the Council Laws so that my Emperor has absolute "control over politics and laws". The problem is that the realm's most powerful vassals still wants a place in this useless Council (it's only function is to serve my interests, since they can't vote on anything), but the Advisors posts are gone forever.

So, I have lots of furious vassals and few Council positions to distribute, which is annoying because they shouldn't even want a place to begin with. Heck, they should create and join an "Increase Council Power" faction before anything else!

EDIT: Forgot to ask a question: Is this WAD?

 

[yezhanquan]

I'm just surprised that the faction you mentioned hasn't been created.

 

[thekaje]

lol, there's no "Increase Council Power" faction? What odd design.

 

[ghaladh]

There is an "increase coucil power" faction. It's practically a constant in my games. Give it some more time. The nobles want to be part of the council because of the prestige of such a position.

 

[Zolotaya]

The faction will form. Think of the Council positions as if they were "Elector" HRE post-Golden Bull for the peers of your realm as far as prestige and desire goes.

 

[The Great Bear]

Yeah, the council is another funny thing in CK2.
Its not that hard to keep them happy, the only time I had a real malcontent was when I appointed my mother as a spymaster...

 

[yezhanquan]

Your mom was a powerful vassal? Fun times.

 

[Zolotaya]

Your mom was a powerful vassal? Fun times.

In my current campaign both my mother (Dowager - no one willing to marry her) and wife (Duchess of the second established Duchy) became council members. Talk about a family spat - and neither were loyal until a while later after favors and minor titles were distributed. lol.

 

[polar_curve]

The fraction definitely will occur...the pain of watching vassals with +80 opinion towards you joining it in crowds.

 

[ghaladh]

However, keep in mind that giving even minimal powers to the council, will allow you to enforce realm peace, which means that your vassals will not be occupied fighting each others and will expand your dominions by conquering your enemies.

I tend to give new land to vassals that are already allied to other vassals of mine, so that they can help each other in their wars of conquest and get along well. Of course I'm careful to not creating factions that might overthrow me.

 

[Chunakun]

Increase Council Power factions also depend on your amount of vassals, your demesne strength and your realm size. If you are King of Burgundy and own 2 Duchies you will only have two vassal Dukes and they would be on your council and less willing to start a faction. If you are HRE Emperor you have a lot of vassals to please and will have to fight of your vassals 3 or 4 times in your reign.

 

[Thrake]

In my current campaign both my mother (Dowager - no one willing to marry her) and wife (Duchess of the second established Duchy) became council members. Talk about a family spat - and neither were loyal until a while later after favors and minor titles were distributed. lol.

Oh, that CK2 version where your father and mother would plot to kill you... Good times

 

[Sergeant Flutter]

I'm an EMPEROR and one of my "Powerful Vassals" is a baron.

I have vassals with much more power, yet he's a Powerful Vassal.

How-

 

[raistlin_wizard]

First he wants to be on the useless Council. Then he will want to empower the Council.

 

[Xinkc]

I'm an EMPEROR and one of my "Powerful Vassals" is a baron.

I have vassals with much more power, yet he's a Powerful Vassal.

How-

I find it silly as well. Little counts into the duchies I rule in my kingdom think they're powerful vassals when my vassal levies without them and demense levies are much greater than theirs. Seriously, there are Dukes in my realm with more power that often aren't "powerful vassals."

 

[ghaladh]

First he wants to be on the useless Council. Then he will want to empower the Council.

Then it will be casual Fridays at court and free snacks for the whole council during the sessions! Ambition knows no end!

 

[yezhanquan]

I'm an EMPEROR and one of my "Powerful Vassals" is a baron.

I have vassals with much more power, yet he's a Powerful Vassal.

How-

Then, something is wrong with the calculation algorithm.

 

[Zolotaya]

Then, something is wrong with the calculation algorithm.

No. The baron is a direct vassal of the emperor and is seen as in the first tier of vassals. It does not fit reality but the engine is limited to generalities.

@Sergeant Flutter - if it really does bother you that this baron is considered "powerful" then simply transfer him to one of your kings or dukes. Having such a weak "powerful vassal" makes handling rebellions and factions easier tho, so there is positive and negative to whatever you decide.

 

[Garranger]

People used to think it was prestigious to be the Groom of the Stool, and all he did was wipe the king's ass. A powerless council is at least better than that... Besides, they get a lot of power if you end up in a regency.

 

[TheDungen]

Yeah it seems it calculates powerful vassals a bit odd sometimes.