Power projection needs rework especially rivalry part

[pinetemplar]

I am playing Kingdom of God and was allied to Austria for almost 200 years now and i am number 1 great power and Austria is number 5. So we have almost maxed out relations both ways 100 trust and 100 favors, fought countless wars together for 200 years and now the only rival option i have is Austria. Isn't it idiotic? Why would i ever consider doing it? Our spheres of interest are divided and we support each other in all ways possible while a lot of the time working on common goals. And now i have not enough rivals penalty and my PP is ruined. While in reality i have very dependable ally ranked number 5GP but i have almost no power projection.... WTF?

There definitely should be a rule to exclude allies from rivalry system and instead give u part of their GP ranking power projection by the ration u get favors. So even if u ally big nation being small one u will get only fraction of it and it will not change much but if you are similar in size you both will benefit from alliance in PP also which will actually reflect situation correctly.

 

[Methuen of Melnibone]

Question - if you're the game's dominant great power, with no effective rival within your sphere of influence, who exactly are you projecting your power at ?

The reason you're only left with your ally is because you have no other near-peers in regions that you are active in. You've won, effectively.

Invade India / get a trade company in the Far East, and rival the locals maybe ?

To answer 'why would you ever consider doing it' - Britain and Germany (in her various forms) fought various wars against the French/Dutch/Spanish/whoever for most of the 17th, 18th and early 19th centuries. When Britain and Germany reached parity, they became rivals, and we got the 20th century. EU4 might actually be referencing reality rather than being broken.

 

[MK1980]

power projection is about beating your rivals. why would you get power projection when you don't have rivals and refuse to set the only viable rival? frankly, the game doesn't actually punish you for not breaking your alliance. it's not like the lack of power procjection is going to somehow stop you when you're the #1 great power.

just keep expanding. sooner or later you'll eclipse austria anyway and they won't be a valid rival any more. problem solved without introducing new game mechanics that make no sense

 

[pinetemplar]

Question - if you're the game's dominant great power, with no effective rival within your sphere of influence, who exactly are you projecting your power at ?

The reason you're only left with your ally is because you have no other near-peers in regions that you are active in. You've won, effectively.

Invade India / get a trade company in the Far East, and rival the locals maybe ?

To answer 'why would you ever consider doing it' - Britain and Germany (in her various forms) fought various wars against the French/Dutch/Spanish/whoever for most of the 17th, 18th and early 19th centuries. When Britain and Germany reached parity, they became rivals, and we got the 20th century. EU4 might actually be referencing reality rather than being broken.

I laughed so hard dude - u made my day. Who am i projecting my power on? On everyone around me maybe LOL.

Yea Britain and Germany started when German ideology changed and their spheres of interest overlapped not because game developers told u to do so LOL.

 

[pinetemplar]

power projection is about beating your rivals. why would you get power projection when you don't have rivals and refuse to set the only viable rival? frankly, the game doesn't actually punish you for not breaking your alliance. it's not like the lack of power procjection is going to somehow stop you when you're the #1 great power.

just keep expanding. sooner or later you'll eclipse austria anyway and they won't be a valid rival any more. problem solved without introducing new game mechanics that make no sense

Power projection IN THIS GAME is about beating your rivals - yes which is to a degree understandable but also very simple and limited. Look at USA today - they project A LOT OF POWER with their carrier fleets basically controlling all the world sea trade. When was the last time they did something to their rivals? LOL But u will under no circumstances disrespect USA and say they are weak and powerless

 

[namewhichisnottakenyet]

Random, probably grossly unbalanced idea I just came up with:

How about generating PP by drilling troops near the border with a non-friendly nation? It should send quite a message if you conduct military exercises within earshot of a nation you could attack the next minute

 

[Methuen of Melnibone]

Random, probably grossly unbalanced idea I just came up with:

How about generating PP by drilling troops near the border with a non-friendly nation? It should send quite a message if you conduct military exercises within earshot of a nation you could attack the next minute

Why Herr Ribbentrop, I didn't know you played computer games ?

 

[namewhichisnottakenyet]

Why Herr Ribbentrop, I didn't know you played computer games ?

It's a new hobby I picked up during this year's Steam summer sale.

 

[Eruth]

You have the option but you don't have to take it. The filter that keeps allies out of the rivalry pool is your own decision not to take them as rivals.

 

[pinetemplar]

You have the option but you don't have to take it. The filter that keeps allies out of the rivalry pool is your own decision not to take them as rivals.

problem is this "option" takes away 15 power projection which means u are not getting +1 monarch points per month.

 

[Eruth]

problem is this "option" takes away 15 power projection which means u are not getting +1 monarch points per month.

Because you aren't showing the Austrians whose boss. The game isn't designed to glorify the player and make you powerful; it's designed to force you to make interesting decisions, such as whether you want this alliance or the power projection.

 

[Canute VII]

I am playing Kingdom of God and was allied to Austria for almost 200 years now and i am number 1 great power and Austria is number 5.

I'd rather ask myself, why the heck didn't they break the alliance and cut you back to size when there was still time to do so?

 

[pinetemplar]

I'd rather ask myself, why the heck didn't they break the alliance and cut you back to size when there was still time to do so?

maybe because they used their few functional brain cells this time around and joined the winning side especially when i saved their ass from Ottomans. or they just understand that war is just a tool to achieve a goal and what goal they would achieve by fighting me? die to Ottomans and convert to islam? LOL

 

[pinetemplar]

Because you aren't showing the Austrians whose boss. The game isn't designed to glorify the player and make you powerful; it's designed to force you to make interesting decisions, such as whether you want this alliance or the power projection.

Yea right. But one faith one tag is possible LOL and people do it all the time. So not to make u powerful ha? Compared to real world i presume? Not powerful? I think i got your idea but i will ask again just to be sure - not powerful? OK.

War is not a game - it's a tool to achieve a goal. Why would me or them break alliance again? To achieve what? To blindly follow basic outdated mechanic that doesnt make any sense and needs some uplift for a long time?

 

[st360]

So you're asking to change the rivalry system so it rewards you for attacking your enemies and being allies with your allies?

Why not just remove rivals then and have every nation get +1/1/1 monarch points for free?

 

[pinetemplar]

So you're asking to change the rivalry system so it rewards you for attacking your enemies and being allies with your allies?

Why not just remove rivals then and have every nation get +1/1/1 monarch points for free?

Have u read my suggestion? It will affect like 10 nations maybe less: great powers mainly cause only they have shortage of possible rivals - every one else have like 6 or more to chose from: plenty to ally and plenty to fight. But when u are sitting there at number 1-3GP there is just not enough potential rivals to chose from. It will affect GP allies a little bit but even then if u get like 1/6 of 6 rank GP and u get what 2 PP how impact-full will it be? So no it will not change anything for 98% of the countries but for those on top it will have it's impact.

 

[Kanem Bornu]

The hegemon system I think is a good option to aim for once you are too strong for any nation in the world to rival you.

 

[pinetemplar]

The hegemon system I think is a good option to aim for once you are too strong for any nation in the world to rival you.

it is definitely late game option but right now i am at around 300 force limit with quantity and offensive ideas and probably around 300 income so hegemony is probably 100 years away so all midgame issue will still exist.

 

[Elendir the Diplomat]

I think the solution is obvious. Conquer territory in the Middle East, including the Suez Canal. Buy a trading company in India and you can add Asian rivals. At least I assume 2, 3 and 4 major powers are there.

 

[pinetemplar]

I think the solution is obvious. Conquer territory in the Middle East, including the Suez Canal. Buy a trading company in India and you can add Asian rivals. At least I assume 2, 3 and 4 major powers are there.

do u realize u are trying to go around a problem without addressing the problem? yea i can go there but why do i need to go there to fix outdated mechanic?