Power Projection in 1.8

[Ranjid]

I'm having real trouble to keep my power projection reasonably high. I've just fought a major defensive war with Austria and this happened afterwards:

It was a major war with about 250.000 casualties, where Austria lost most of it's power base along with 48 BT and I gain 7 power projection for it. This doesn't sound quite right. But that's not even the point. I can't get above 40 PP let alone 50 at all. I'm using insults (can't use them atm since I have truces with all my rivals), conquests, honor CTAs against Austria, use embargoes etc. And yet I struggle to stay above 25. I really don't want to use privateers. So, what am I supposed to do?

 

[ragingrondo12]

I'm having real trouble to keep my power projection reasonably high. I've just fought a major defensive war with Austria and this happened afterwards:

It was a major war with about 250.000 casualties, where Austria lost most of it's power base along with 48 BT and I gain 7 power projection for it. This doesn't sound quite right. But that's not even the point. I can't get above 40 PP let alone 50 at all. I'm using insults (can't use them atm since I have truces with all my rivals), conquests, honor CTAs against Austria, use embargoes etc. And yet I struggle to stay above 25. I really don't want to use privateers. So, what am I supposed to do?

Only thing you can really use now is the humiliate peace option. 40% WS for +30 PP for you, -30 for them.

 

[Deuterium Dawn]

After nerfing pp from conquest into the ground in 1.7, in 1.8 they've also changed it so you can't send privateers to any node where anyone you have a truce with has power, in addition to cutting the bonus from longtime rivals in half. They don't want you to have pp apparently. Find a rival you don't actually want anything from and farm pp off them from humiliate I guess.

 

[Chimerae]

Only thing you can really use now is the humiliate peace option. 40% WS for +30 PP for you, -30 for them.

Which is annoying since you can't take land while humiliating

 

[Ranjid]

Only thing you can really use now is the humiliate peace option. 40% WS for +30 PP for you, -30 for them.

Great. So humilating them is a show of unfathomable power while completely dismantling their nation is considered a minor setback? This is bullcrap. They should remove the Humilate wargoal and attach the effects to every 100% (maybe 90% upwards, since you can't always reach 100%) WS peace.

 

[A Swell Guy]

Humiliate, privateer, subsidize, support rebels, and send insults.

 

[TheDarkMaster]

Which is annoying since you can't take land while humiliating

That's the point. If you want PP, you can't get land.

Also, with regards to raising PP in general, you can get a huge amount of it from supporting rebels now. It can cost a lot of cash, but you can easily get over 10 from supporting a strong rebel faction in one rival nation.

 

[ChildeR]

I think the nerfs were somewhat justified, 50 was way too easy before and 25 almost automatic, they should be something you only get when focusing on it. However, lost provinces/took provinces are maybe a bit small now in comparison to other modifiers.

There was also supposed to be a modifier for "eclipsing" your rival, but that doesn't seem to apply if you destroy them completely, which is a shame.

 

[TheDarkMaster]

I think the nerfs were somewhat justified, 50 was way too easy before and 25 almost automatic, they should be something you only get when focusing on it. However, lost provinces/took provinces are maybe a bit small now in comparison to other modifiers.

There was also supposed to be a modifier for "eclipsing" your rival, but that doesn't seem to apply if you destroy them completely, which is a shame.

Eclipsing is gained if you no longer qualify to have them as a rival because you're too big. It simply takes the place of the +5 modifier for having a long time rival.

I believe that there is a modifier for annexing a rival, there was one in the last version at any rate. If it's not working now, that's probably a bug.

 

[artemis667]

I don't see the issue? The new mechanic gives you choice. Humiliate for the super power projection, or take some land. Which do you want more as a player in each situation? It makes you think about what you're trying to achieve in wars, which is all good.

 

[Denkt]

Rotate between conquest and humiliate.
It give you both land and power projection while allowing some time to burn off aggressive expansion in the area.

 

[Ranjid]

Nah, I just went with the old massive conquest way. 100 PP because I conquered all of Anatolia and the Levantine Coastline. Privateering against Castille and the Mamluks is quite strong as well. But I still think the "Lost provinces in our war" modifier should be tied to something like basetax or manpower. Not the number of provinces lost. Releasing low BT and MP provinces shouldn't be more profitable than stuff like all of Styria. That's my real issue here. Crippling your rival should net you quite a bit of PP.

 

[IIWW]

I don't see the issue? The new mechanic gives you choice. Humiliate for the super power projection, or take some land. Which do you want more as a player in each situation? It makes you think about what you're trying to achieve in wars, which is all good.

So... instead of owning one DLC to get high PP they changed it to athor DLC? and thats ok?

 

[migalhone]

The new PP threshold of 15 for 3 rivals means, IMO, 2 things:

-Buff to Innovative and Aristocracy (because 25 PP->+1 leader is now harder to get, and mantain)

-An indirect buff to make Espionage a more viable diplomacy IG. I mean, it has a diplomat! Or maybe it just sucks less now.

- They want you to choose: Do i get more land or more PP? (because the extra monarch points when you have 50+ PP are awesome sauce). If you humiliate you don't get more land, but you do get more PP. Also, you still remain rival with whomever you've beaten down.

 

[rbl0010]

I always found that PP was easy to get before. Just needed to get DoWed by the derpy AI to get to minimally to 25, and otherwise 50 was easy to reach without dedication. Now if you want PP you have to use it. But in a way, I find it interesting, since you can get it high while not expanding. A form of expansion without expansion.

 

[WSnova]

I kinda like it, although taking provinces gives too little. But it really gives you more reasons to go to war if you don´t want to blob and you get to play World Police with the Humillate Wargoal.

Before it was pretty a no brainer to conquer your rivals because you got base tax and power projection, so I can see why they nerfed it. But yeah Humillate and supporting rebels seems to be the way to get PP now. Well, I am not a blobber most of the time so I like that you can get some good rewards for war while not taking their provinces.

 

[iShurik]

Winning great battles maybe should give PP. Also the PP from conquering is a bit low ATM IMO ( ). Using Humiliate maybe should also allow to release other nations or return cores to other nations, which are not your subjects.

 

[anomalacaris]

I find that I gain much more PP by antagonizing a stronger power, not sure whether the scaling has changed.
It kind of reduce snowballing, but it is definitely not very cool when no other country in the world are rival candidate anymore...

 

[Panzerschiffe]

I've been keeping punching bag nations alive as my rival and have been farming humiliate peace treaties for that 30PP boost. Ideally, you want a nation that you can defeat fairly easily but that stays about your size. This actually sounds a lot easier as a smaller nation which would make playing as them more interesting since you can stay small and still have lots of power projection.

Maintaining punching bag rivals has been a thing for a few patches but now it's totally mainstream. Everyone should be doing it to.

 

[lordelenath]

In my Theodoro game I haven't been ably to exceed 30 PP more than a few years and it's currently 1721. Beating 100% WS out of rivals usually resulted in less than 10 PP and for quite a large part of the campaign I only had 1-2 available rivals anyway.