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Je me permets, si vous le voulez bien, de prendre quelques minutes de votre temps afin de vous demander de m'aider un peu. J'ai un oral qui compte pour 25% de ma session, en anglais de surcroît, à propos d'un homme qui m'a grandement inspiré. Après avoir longuement hésité entre Mike Tyson et Bryan Fogarty, j'ai finalement choisi René Lévesque. Je l'ai découvert plus en détail dans la dernière semaine seulement, et j'aimerais vous demander si vous pouvez lire ce texte et me donner vos commentaires, sur la pertinence de mes informations et s'il y a autre chose d'important sur l'homme ou le politicien que je n'ai pas mentionné. L'anglais est quelque peu torturé, mais ce n'est pas très grave; je peux toujours blâmer ma prononciation. :) Je sais que ce n'est pas particulièrement dans le sujet d'EU; j'te laisse libre de le déplacer où tu veux ou de l'effacer, Surcouf, mais laisse moi quelques heures, siou plait.


'It’s somewhat hard and unfair to talk in English about a man who dedicated his life to the promotion of the French Canadian culture and language. His life can be directly associated with the development of the development of the separatist movement in Quebec and the apparition of the province on the international scene. René Lévesque, who lived from 1922 to 1987, is now an emblematic figure of our history, along with such glorious names as Jacques Cartier, Samuel de Champlain, Louis-Joseph Papineau and Maurice Duplessis.

In a small village named New Carlisle situated in the Gaspésie, the August 24, 1922, came into the world the son of Dominique Lévesque and Diane Dionne; René. He was soon initiated to the communication world, and occupied is first job in a local radio at 14 years old. He moved to Quebec in 1937 after his father’s death, where he studied at the College St-Charles-Garnier and the Laval University. He soon engaged himself in the American army as a war correspondent during the Second World War, in 1944 and 1945. At the end of the war, he worked at Radio-Canada, from 1945 to 1959, except for a short period of time during which he worked as a war correspondent during the Korean War. He animated many shows, but really became famous only with Point de mire, that went into the airs from 1956 to 1959. He then entered politics as a minister for Jean Lesage, during what is today called the “Révolution tranquille”. His aggressive leadership led to the nationalization of the electricity, under the name Hydro-Québec. After leaving the Liberal Party because it wouldn’t consider the independence of Quebec, he was named president of the newly founded Parti Québécois, that he led to success in November 1976. He told after his victory: “I’ve never been so proud of being a Québécois.”

M. Lévesque has been Quebec’s Prime minister during more than 8 years, during which he adopted an amazing number of laws. In 1977, he created the Law 101 in order to preserve French amongst French Canadians. He also created car insurance, made many social measures and broke with the Duplessis methods by adopting a law supervising political parties funding, in order to prevent corruption and patronage. He even organized a referendum, asking the population about its desire to create a new nation. Unhappily, he has been defeated, but handled the situation with serenity and class by declaring: ”If I understand you, you’re telling me, see you next time!”. He remained Prime minister until 1985, when a dissension between members of the Parti Québécois led to his demission. He published an autobiography, named “Attendez que je me rappelled…”, that became instantly a best-seller.

Whether we agree or not with Quebec’s sovereignty, we have to admire René Lévesque’s achievements. While the separatist movement was in the ‘60s very violent (who hasn’t heard about the FLQ?), he founded a democratic party and insisted to hold a referendum on sovereignty rather than simply imposing it. If he hadn’t done that, the Quebec would probably be independent by now, but Lévesque was really impregnated by democratic ideals and wanted the population to have the last word. He was a fervent nationalist, who held sacred our culture; the catch-phrases “Maîtres chez nous (Masters in our land)” and “Les Québécois doivent cesser d’être des étrangers chez eux (Quebeckers have to stop feeling away in their own country)” are really representative of his ambitions. M. Lévesque was an honest man, fighting for a cause larger than his own life. When he entered the politic world in the 60’s, French Canadians were used as cheap labor and overwhelmed by English power; 25 years later, they were a proud and dynamic people. This is, in a large part, because of the major contribution of René Lévesque.'

Merci... et désolé pour le dérangement.
 

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Brian Fogarty? :D

bon je vais lire ça et je vais commenter un peu plus tard... :)
 

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Je ne suis pas le meilleur en anglais, mais bon, je dirais ça comme ça...


'It’s somewhat hard and unfair to talk in English about a man who dedicated his life to the promotion of the French Canadian culture and language. His political life can be directly associated with the development of the sovereignist movement in Quebec and the exposure of the province on the international scene. René Lévesque, who lived from 1922 to 1987, is now an emblematic figure of our history, along with such glorious names as Jacques Cartier, Samuel de Champlain, Louis-Joseph Papineau and Maurice Duplessis. (en espèrant que ton prof n'est pas fédéraliste...)

In a small village named New Carlisle situated in the Gaspésie, on August 24th 1922, came into the world the son of Dominique Lévesque and Diane Dionne: René (on se perd ici, dans la phrase). He was soon introduced to the world of communications, and occupied is first job in a local radio at the age of 14. He moved to Quebec in 1937, after his father’s death, where he studied at the College St-Charles-Garnier and Laval University. He soon enrolled in the American army as a war correspondent during the World War II, from 1944 to 1945. At the end of the war, he worked at Radio-Canada, from 1945 to 1959, except for a short period of time during which he worked as a war correspondent in the Korean War. He hosted many shows, but really became famous only with Point de mire, that went to air in 1956, up to 1959. He then entered politics as a minister for Jean Lesage, during a time now reffered as “Révolution tranquille”. His aggressive leadership led to the nationalization of electricity, under the name Hydro-Québec. After leaving the Liberal Party because it wouldn’t consider the independence of Quebec, he was named president of the newly founded Parti Québécois, that he led to power in November 1976. He said, after his victory: “I’ve never been so proud of being a Québécois.”

M. Lévesque would be Quebec’s Prime minister for more than 8 years, during which he adopted an amazing number of laws. In 1977, he created the Law 101 in order to preserve the French language amongst French Canadians. He also created car insurance, made many social measures and broke with the Duplessis methods by adopting a law supervising political parties funding, in order to prevent corruption and patronage. He even organized a referendum, asking the population about its desire to create a new nation. Unfortunately, the population was not ready for it, and his social project was rejected (il ne s'est pas fait battre, c'est son option qui s'est fait battre). He handled the situation with serenity and class by declaring: ”If I understand you, you’re telling me, see you next time!”. He remained Prime minister until 1985, when a dissension between members of the Parti Québécois led to his departure. He published an autobiography, named “Attendez que je me rappelle…”, which became instantly a best-seller.

Whether we agree or not with Quebec’s sovereignty, we have to admire René Lévesque’s achievements. While the separatist movement was in the ‘60s very violent (who hasn’t heard about the FLQ?) (ouais, mais faudrait pas prendre ça comme une tendance non plus...), he founded a democratic party and insisted to hold a referendum on sovereignty rather than simply imposing it (ouais... j'aurais vu ça moi, imposer l'indépendance... :D). If he hadn’t done that, Quebec would probably be independent by now, but Lévesque was really impregnated by democratic ideals and wanted the population to have the last word. He was a fervent nationalist, who held sacred our culture; the catch-phrases “Maîtres chez nous (Masters in our land)” and “Les Québécois doivent cesser d’être des étrangers chez eux (Quebeckers have to stop feeling away in their own country)” are really representative of his ambitions. M. Lévesque was an honest man, fighting for a cause larger than his own life. When he entered the political world in the 60’s, French Canadians were used as cheap labor and overwhelmed by English power; 25 years later, they were a proud and dynamic people. This is, in part, because of the major contribution of René Lévesque.'

Sérieusement, il te manque un fil directeur dans ton dernier paragraphe. On se perd un peu dans le texte. Anyways, il n'y a que quelques petites modifications, peut-être que d'autres veulent ajouter/changer/soustraire certains changements ?
 

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bon je vais faire 2-3 corrections et quelques remarques qui seront en gras pr les corrections et en gras italiques pr les commentaires.


Originally posted by Patriote

'It’s somewhat hard and unfair to talk in English about a man who dedicated his life to the promotion of the French Canadian culture and language.
Peut-être dur et injuste, mais faut pas oublier que Lévesque avait bien des amis anglophones à l'époque. Ceux-ci se sont sentis trahi par ses idées politiques, mais néanmoins, de la manière dont tu le dis, c'est comme si il était "anti-anglo" et ça n'est pas du tout vrai (malgré ce que les Canadiens Anglais peuvent penser). Moi à ta place je retravaillerais ce petit bout de phrase.


In a small village named New Carlisle situated in Gaspésie (peut-être "Gaspesia", the August 24, 1922, came into the

At the end of the war, he worked for Radio-Canada, from 1945 to 1959, except for a short period of time during which he worked as a war correspondent during the Korean conflict. He hosted many shows, but really became famous only with "Point de mire" tu introduis des mots de langue étrangère, donc faut mettre des guillemets (et oublie pas de prendre l'accent anglais quand tu le prononce :p ,

that went on air from 1956 to 1959. He then entered politics as a minister for Jean Lesage, during what is today called the “Révolution tranquille” Je crois que les anglos appellent ça "Quiet Revolution".

His aggressive leadership led to the nationalization of the electricity, under the name Hydro-Québec. After leaving the Liberal Party because it wouldn’t consider the independence of Quebec, he was named president of the newly founded Parti Québécois, that he led to success in November 1976. He said after his victory: “I’ve never been so proud of being Québécois.” pas de "a" en avant de Québécois

He also created the no-fault system under wich a car driver/owner cannot be sued for physical dammages to another person in any circumstance; instead this has became the mandate of the Société d'Assurance-Automobile du Québec to pay financial indemnities to the victims of road accidents. He also made many social measures and broke with the Duplessis methods by adopting a law supervising political parties funding, in order to prevent corruption and patronage. He even organized a referendum, asking the population about its desire to begin negociations with the Federal government as a mean to transfer all of the Ottawa government's power to the Province of Quebec, effectively achieving political independance with Canada while preserving economic and financial links. Sadly, he has been defeated, but handled the situation with serenity and class He published an autobiography, named “Attendez que je me rappelle…”, that became instantly a best-seller.

the catch-phrases “Maîtres chez nous" (Masters in our land) celle-là vient de Daniel Johnson père (Union Nationale)... and “Les Québécois doivent cesser d’être des étrangers chez eux

the political world in the 60’s, French Canadians were used as cheap labor and overwhelmed by English power; 25 years later, they were a proud and dynamic people. This is, in a large part, because of the major contribution of René Lévesque.'

Merci... et désolé pour le dérangement.
 

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euuu vous croyez que je pourrais le mixer avec le thread quebec sa?? :)
 

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Originally posted by Surcouf
euuu vous croyez que je pourrais le mixer avec le thread quebec sa?? :)

non svp laisse le lui ici pr qu'il finisse son travail ensuite tu pourras l'effacer :)
 

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Originally posted by viper37


non svp laisse le lui ici pr qu'il finisse son travail ensuite tu pourras l'effacer :)
pas de probleme :)
 

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Merci beaucoup, Bunny et Viper, vous m'avez été d'un précieux secours. Pour la compréhension de l'anglais, je me débrouille. Pour le parler et l'écrire, c'est une autre histoire. :)

En passant, avant que ce thread disparaisse... j'ai appris par pur hasard qu'à l'époque où René Lévesque vivait à New Carlisle, son voisin se nommait Romuald Marcotte... mon grand-père! :D Aux dires de feu mon grand-père, M. Lévesque était "un p'tit criss de baveux". :D

Un dernier merci, avant que Surcouf, l'homme qui censure plus vite que son ombre, mette fin à ce thread.
 

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Originally posted by Patriote
Merci beaucoup, Bunny et Viper, vous m'avez été d'un précieux secours. Pour la compréhension de l'anglais, je me débrouille. Pour le parler et l'écrire, c'est une autre histoire. :)

En passant, avant que ce thread disparaisse... j'ai appris par pur hasard qu'à l'époque où René Lévesque vivait à New Carlisle, son voisin se nommait Romuald Marcotte... mon grand-père! :D Aux dires de feu mon grand-père, M. Lévesque était "un p'tit criss de baveux". :D

Un dernier merci, avant que Surcouf, l'homme qui censure plus vite que son ombre, mette fin à ce thread.

je ne me souvient plus si je l'ai corrigé, mais tu as dit "Second World War"; en anglais on dit plutôt World War II (WWII ça n'est pas World Wrestling International Inc. :D )
 

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C'est vrai, on entend surtout le WWII, mais je pense que les deux se disent.

De toute façon, l'anglais, c'est une pâle copie du français... D'ici 20 ans, j'prédis que ça existera plus. :)
 

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Originally posted by Patriote
C'est vrai, on entend surtout le WWII, mais je pense que les deux se disent.

De toute façon, l'anglais, c'est une pâle copie du français... D'ici 20 ans, j'prédis que ça existera plus. :)

Bon, pas de besoin d'être souverainiste alors.
 

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Originally posted by BusterBunny


Bon, pas de besoin d'être souverainiste alors.

et si ils se mettent tous à parler français avec l'accent Européen, quossé qu'on va faire? :D
 

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On va rire d'eux en crisse, 'barnak!
 

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Originally posted by DuquedeBraganca


L'accent européen ? Vous voulez dire l'accent français standard car l'accent belge, suisse ou luxembourgeois c'est pas le même :)

...ouais ouais ouais... c'est ça. M'a't'dire une affaire, quand toé pis ta gang vous allez arrêter d'parler comme des moumounes, on s'en r'parlra. En attendant, vous êtes toute pareille :D
 

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Originally posted by DuquedeBraganca


L'accent européen ? Vous voulez dire l'accent français standard car l'accent belge, suisse ou luxembourgeois c'est pas le même :)

Bof, ça se ressemble tous, à part les Marseillais :D
 

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Originally posted by DuquedeBraganca


Toi, t'as forcé sur le sirop d'érable :)
L'accent marseillais n'est vraiment pas l'accent français standard cela dit LOL

Ce qu'il veut dire, c'est que pour l'oreille d'un Québécois, il n'y a pas de différence entre l'accent Belge, Luxembourgeois, Suisse (bof, un peu :D ) et Français... sauf pour les Marseillais.

Maintenant, si vous voulez VRAIMENT qu'il y ait une différence, attendez d'entendre la différence entre une personne de Chicoutimi, de Gaspésie, d'Acadie et de Montréal...

(remarquez que vous ne "pigeriez" rien de ce qu'ils disent de toute façon :D :D :D)
 

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Originally posted by BusterBunny


Ce qu'il veut dire, c'est que pour l'oreille d'un Québécois, il n'y a pas de différence entre l'accent Belge, Luxembourgeois, Suisse (bof, un peu :D ) et Français... sauf pour les Marseillais.

Maintenant, si vous voulez VRAIMENT qu'il y ait une différence, attendez d'entendre la différence entre une personne de Chicoutimi, de Gaspésie, d'Acadie et de Montréal...

(remarquez que vous ne "pigeriez" rien de ce qu'ils disent de toute façon :D :D :D)

surtout pour ceux de Montréal! :D
 

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