Potential Republic Locations

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With The Republic, we'll gain the ability to create merchant republics as feudal lords. With this being the case, where do you think will be good places to create them?

Since trade zones will have diminishing returns as they get larger, we can assume we'll need more than one. We can also assume that AI Republics will try to create Trade Posts starting where they have influence - either by their home duchy, or by cities they control in other areas. By this assumption, we can then "Direct" the spread of a Republic when setting them up by giving them cities outside their duchy.

We can also assume that we'll want to give them small duchies (2-county) with both counties having ports.

This is what I'm currently thinking

Baltic Sea
Samogitia w/ City in southern Finland, or perhaps Livonia
Pomerania

Atlantic
Iceland w/ city in northern Norway
Norfolk w/ city in Holland
Cornwall w/ city in Ireland
Galicia w/ city in France
Algrave w/ city in Mauretania

Mediterranean
Mallorca
Genoa
Venice
Calabria w/ city in Tripoltania
Krete
Cyprus

Black Sea
Armeniacon

Hopefully this should give good coverage for the merchant republics - once that territory is controlled, naturally.

 

[jordarkelf]

Brugge - a major COT
Bordeaux - along with Marseille (Provence), one of the two major trading centres of Aquitaine
Tangier - controlled much of the trade along the southern Atlantic and part of the Mediterranean

And for mods where the Red Sea/Arabian Sea/Persian Gulf is made into seazones:
Aden: probably the largest COT in the area
Muscat: another, smaller but still important COT

 

[Djacir]

Put Gotland in the Baltic Sea too, i always liked the idea of leading a republic from that place, ;p.

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

Gotland is one of the playable republics in the dlc.

 

[Bad_Haggis]

I might start up a Republic in Bagdad, Damascus or Palmyra.

 

[jordarkelf]

None of those are coastal.

 

[Bad_Haggis]

None of those are coastal.

If you mod it you don't have to be coastal AFAIK, or I cold just take a port.

 

[Avernite]

I'll be aiming fro the Republic of Frisia

 

[Thure]

I would say Hamburg... But Hamburg isn't coastal in this game. :sad:

 

[Lwantssugar]

I'm making an independent Frisian republic that later invades England

 

[Astanna]

Armenia Minor would be a good spot, I think.

 

[OrdepNM]

I would say Hamburg... But Hamburg isn't coastal in this game. :sad:

I believe they updated the map to make it coastal.

 

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As far as I'm aware, Republics have to A) Be coastal and B) Be duke-level (or above) to be playable. Since there is a major lack of titular duchies, you obviously don't want to be handing say, Flanders over to a vassal doge. It makes a much better demense.

 

[OrdepNM]

As far as I'm aware, Republics have to A) Be coastal and B) Be duke-level (or above) to be playable. Since there is a major lack of titular duchies, you obviously don't want to be handing say, Flanders over to a vassal doge. It makes a much better demense.

A) Im hoping Paradox will rule the coastal=playable thing with a is_coastal modifier, so you can easily signal a province anywhere as coastal and make a playable republic. This would allow for the representation of river trade. Plus, Switzerland.

B) The obvious solution would be to include several titular titles for historical republics with the expansion that you can create and give to your doges to make them playable. I doubt Paradox will do this tough, since they seem so gung-ho on forcing us to play those 5 republics, but thankfully the flavorful titular titles mod by zeress already does this anyway.

 

[riadach]

I'd certainly give a duchy to the city holder in Dublin, if I become King of Ireland. Trade in the Irish sea province was a long fought over prize.

 

[Thure]

I believe they updated the map to make it coastal.

Ah. You have right. Look at this screen:

 

[unmerged(228153)]

Here's hoping for Lübeck, Gotland and Novgorod! I want to play the Baltic game. (Sadly, Novgorod isn't coastal.)

 

[OrdepNM]

Ah. You have right. Look at this screen:

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This actually makes me a bit apprehensive tough, if they went and opened a gash that size on the earth just to make hamburg "republicable" I fear PDS may make the coastal republics thing hardcoded. This would be a mistake IMO...

 

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The gash is actually there, just not as pronounced — it's the mouth of the River Elbe. While Hamburg's not actually »coastal«, this is the only way to represent an inland harbour within the limitations of the engine.

See for yourself:

The most interesting thing about that map is that you can see the old Frisian coastline! Much of today's Wattenmeer was perfectly habitable in 1066. The region even has its own Atlantis.


[sub]For clarity's sake, the map is from 1910.[/sub]

 

[Pyriel]

Personally, Im making the republic of sicily.