Potential loophole that can be exploited.

[RhaegarTelcontarTargaryen]

I jsut witnessed a strange thing that happened. I am unsure if it is the consequence of HIP mod that I am using, or it can also happen in vanilla, but i do believe that it is not mod-related.

Long story short, I'm Herbert Karling of Vermandois, 1066 start, King Phillipe of France sets up an anti-pope, William the Conqueror declares papal war on him in 1075 or so. Well William dies in battle, and his son and heir Richard (firstborn Robert died) is captured in battle. So far so good, the war ends, Richard stays captive of Phillipe. Fast forward some 5 or so years, Richard is still captured, Phillipe declares de jure war over Normandy, which goes to 100% on the first day, since the King of England is already his prisoner...

So... I'm guessing something should be done, this can be exploited, it's a rare situation, and more important, one that could easily happen in real life.. but I kinda feel, especially if done by human, that it's way too easy.

Maybe I just want de Normandie to keep hold of England while they quarrel with France so I can get HRE or France.

 

[Fishman786]

I suppose it makes sense. "I'll let you out of your cell if you hand over Normandy. That's your ransom. Otherwise..."

It's not as if this is an exploit really. Capturing a king is a matter of luck, and you can't just keep a king in your dungeon to war with at your leisure since they get released if they contribute to the war score. The fact that the king didn't get released after the first war is the strange thing.

 

[RhaegarTelcontarTargaryen]

I guess he wasn't released because it happened in one battle that he was captured and his father William was slain, and immediately after there was peace, although I am guessing it might be that the war was invalidated since William declared it, so Richard stayed prisoner because there was no 'peace' only the 'end' of the war.. not sure thou, I was minding my own business and hoped that the squabble would drag on so I can use the situation to my advantage...

 

[Dryhad]

I guess he wasn't released because it happened in one battle that he was captured and his father William was slain, and immediately after there was peace, although I am guessing it might be that the war was invalidated since William declared it, so Richard stayed prisoner because there was no 'peace' only the 'end' of the war.. not sure thou, I was minding my own business and hoped that the squabble would drag on so I can use the situation to my advantage...

Your guess as to what happened sounds pretty accurate. So in a sense there's a "loophole" or unintended sequence of events but it's entirely dependent on capturing the heir and killing the king in the same action (and for the war to be dependent on the specific king, which doesn't apply to all CBs). Pretty interesting but as the benefit is relatively small and it's so unlikely to happen I doubt it's worth fixing.

 

[Rascar Capac]

I jsut witnessed a strange thing that happened. I am unsure if it is the consequence of HIP mod that I am using, or it can also happen in vanilla, but i do believe that it is not mod-related.

Pretty sure it is mod-related. I had hazy memory of thing like this, so just booted up CKII and started as Philippe in 1081, imprisoned William with console and tried to DoW him. Impossible, 'cause he was my prisoner.

 

[Ciniod]

Pretty sure it is mod-related. I had hazy memory of thing like this, so just booted up CKII and started as Philippe in 1081, imprisoned William with console and tried to DoW him. Impossible, 'cause he was my prisoner.

Which is also odd. Why cant you demand land off of a ruler in return releasing him.

 

[Rascar Capac]

Which is also odd. Why cant you demand land off of a ruler in return releasing him.

You ask me? OP just rang this little bell behind my ear, so I checked it out.