Posthumous inheritance

[velles]

What about the posthumous children? In real life there were few cases of succession even if the father died before the child was born, while in CK2 such scenarios end with a game over (or switching to dynasty heir) while the newborn child is for some unfathomable reason considered bastard (even if the mother was spouse of the former ruler).
It probably wouldn't be that hard to implement technically - just don't model pregnancy as some sort of trait, the moment when a notification pops up there should be an actual offspring in a dynasty tree (with hidden stats revealed at birth) that inherits respective titles in the event of it's father's death

 

[Dlin369]

It would be nice if there was a special event where if the current King dies and has no male heirs but his wife is pregnant that there be a special succession crisis.

Off the top of my head Louis X had a certain circumstance like that - he had a existing daughter when he died but his wife was still pregnant. Of course when she gave birth to a boy that died 5 days after birth the point was moot but having a sort of build up the birth of a possible heir would be nice.

Brothers of the King and the King's daughters and their supporters having events to either press their claims or come to a compromise regarding a regent would be great. Honestly a more indepth will/instrumetn of succession would also be good for CKIII

 

[velles]

Not possible unless the game has an interregnum mechanic.

Well, I actually described how it might be possible from a gameplay point (adding child as a - maybe hidden - dynasty character that couldn't be interacted with until the birth).

 

[Bulan]

I think an interregnum mechanic would be great. CK2 already supported regency. Depending on laws, ongoing wars, factions etc. why not potentially have a regency for a while as a bunch of vassals, claimaints and other stakeholders potentially rush to the capital (with or without armies) and figure stuff out. Succession could occur without an interregnum if the primary heir is already a powerful vassal or inside the state and well liked, otherwise... for Mongols, early Byzantines etc. disasterous protracted succession negotiations should be par for the course.

Regents should also be able to wield real power during regency if played properly. The regent subgame is CK2 was unsatisfying, basically a bunch of random events. I never felt like I could be "the power behind the throne" or effectively shape or guide the ruler. As a high intrigue regent I should be able to pull some strings!

 

[Chlodio]

Well, I actually described how it might be possible from a gameplay point (adding child as a - maybe hidden - dynasty character that couldn't be interacted with until the birth).

Right, I do recall now. If the sex is assigned on birth but the character is created on conception. Isfemale-attribute is boolean type, but perhaps it can remain null until the birth, and special event triggers which forces the baby to abdicate if a girl is born under agnatic succession.

 

[Ollum]

Interregnum is good, but during this time, a regent have to be designed. And gender related events is good. In agnatic succession, newborn girl will forced to abdication and if is any other male heir, this heir becomes ruler. In enatic succession on the reverse. Obviously, other events (other, adult heir demands throne against order of succession).

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

This could potentially cause problems with divided successions (like gavelkind), where the title distribution depends on the sex of the children.

Potentially the unborn child could alter the succession of all the other children, and which titles they receive, meaning that either no titles can be handed out until the child is born, that titles have to be reshuffled when the child is born, or that the distribution will be different depending on whether the child is born or not.

There are also potential problems if the theoretical heirs if the child *is* a girl die between the death of the father and the birth, as titles may not distribute "correctly".

 

[Lordy's]

I think an interregnum mechanic would be great. CK2 already supported regency. Depending on laws, ongoing wars, factions etc. why not potentially have a regency for a while as a bunch of vassals, claimaints and other stakeholders potentially rush to the capital (with or without armies) and figure stuff out. Succession could occur without an interregnum if the primary heir is already a powerful vassal or inside the state and well liked, otherwise... for Mongols, early Byzantines etc. disasterous protracted succession negotiations should be par for the course.

Regents should also be able to wield real power during regency if played properly. The regent subgame is CK2 was unsatisfying, basically a bunch of random events. I never felt like I could be "the power behind the throne" or effectively shape or guide the ruler. As a high intrigue regent I should be able to pull some strings!

I think this is another thing were blackninja and the other devs would say: Sounds good on paper, but creating a good mechanic for it is difficult.
While I also think that it would be cool, the main problem I see with it is that there would be tons of situations were it is very annoying for the player. Suppose you were in a war and the AI took over in the interregnum. Lots of players (me included) would be very upset.

 

[Tsar Monarchist]

There are many aspects of history that could hardly be implemented in the current dynasty mechanics, like inheriting title by your in-laws or spouse (especially when your ruler is a female - sorry to say but medieval world was mostly a men's world, with women varying in their role depends on which century, culture, religion, current country laws, etc.).

However it would be great to have a "placeholder" (special character like some modders do) inheriting before the child is born, with his mother or someone else ruling as a Regent - which would also require for regents to actually matter (but there is a separate thread for this). Then the newborn child replaces this character, or if it's born dead or it's mother dies before giving birth the title goes to another heir.

Let's see how developers will handle this, but I suppose it may be hard to add to the game if inheritance will work the same as in CK2.

 

[Will Steel]

I think if the spouse is publicly known to be pregnant, posthumous succession should be allowed. The regent should take over until the kid is born, and then until he is of age like normal rules.

This also happened in real life, and it is realistic because it leaves out mistresses and bastard kids.

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

I think if the spouse is publicly known to be pregnant, posthumous succession should be allowed. The regent should take over until the kid is born, and then until he is of age like normal rules.

This also happened in real life, and it is realistic because it leaves out mistresses and bastard kids.

So are *all* the successions put on hold at that point until the child is born?