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It's complicated, but long story short: It has historical ties with Poland, and its geographical used to be quite far from the Baltic sea. Not particularly Baltic. In it's current (post 1990) shape/incarnation however, it is closely related to Latvia and Estonia, which would make it Baltic. The term "the Baltic states" conventionally refers to Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, but that doesn't really prove anything about their culture or national identity, of course.
It's a bit like the question whether Mexico/Mesoamerica is part of North America.
It's a bit like the question whether Mexico/Mesoamerica is part of North America.
Lithuania is a Southern European country, every European country south of Jönkoping is…
This is my newly finished Friesland game.
Quite a fun game where I eventually formed The Netherlands.
Notice the enormous size of the Ottomans and the timurids still being alive and kicking... Not to mention the overly imperialistic Scandinavians! ;-)
Quite a fun game where I eventually formed The Netherlands.
Notice the enormous size of the Ottomans and the timurids still being alive and kicking... Not to mention the overly imperialistic Scandinavians! ;-)
Well for one, For most of it's history, It didn't even have a Baltic coast.
Secondly, culturally and it's national identity make it more it's own unique state rather than Baltic. It shares more historic ties with Poland rather than Latvia.
You see what happens when you get a wrong idea from EU3 start in 1399?
Lithuania did not have Baltic coast only in ~1385 to ~1410 and for some time in 20th centuryAnd lets not forget, that after destruction of TO, current Latvia (Kurland, Wenden and more to the north) were vassals/territory of crown - Lithuania was defending that land from swedes and russians all the time- so our history is also common with latvians.
But I will agree that we weren't using the Baltic sea too much really. In this sense, there was only attempt to become BALTIC in 16th century, which did not end well..
You see what happens when you get a wrong idea from EU3 start in 1399?
And lets not forget, that after destruction of TO, current Latvia (Kurland, Wenden and more to the north) were vassals/territory of crown - Lithuania was defending that land from swedes and russians all the time- so our history is also common with latvians.
But I will agree that we weren't using the Baltic sea too much really. In this sense, there was only attempt to become BALTIC in 16th century, which did not end well..
You need to replace Lithuania with Poland in most of your post.
That's one massive Ottoman Empire
Were they lucky? Or did they get some outside help?
I think this is what happens when the Ottomans inherit the Golden Horde
oYou are right!
They did inherit The Golden Horde very early, hence why they got such a headstart on the expansion I guess
They did inherit The Golden Horde very early, hence why they got such a headstart on the expansion I guess
The Lithuanian language, is a part of of the the Baltic language branch, together with Latvian and Prussian(in-game Old Prussian), thus they are Baltic.
Polish language is a part of the Slavic language branch, so historically Lithuanians were close to the Polish, but culturally they are very close to Latvians, I know it because I'm Latvian and I know some basic stuff in Polish and Lithuanian.
Example: Good day in Latvian is Labdien, in Lithuanian it is Laba diena, in Polish it is Dzień Dobry.
How dare you say now that Lithuanians are closer to the Polish than to Latvians?
I never said they were closer linguistically! :rofl:
But than again, due to huge influence from Poland, Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine all have a fair share of Polish words in their language.
So Normandy doesn't even control Normandy anymore?
And WWI would be real interesting...
And WWI would be real interesting...
Normandy hasn't controlled Normany in hundreds of years.
WW Half was interesting. Byzantium and NED took on France. We got about 6 provinces out of it, and over a million men died.
Vicky is coming up within a couple weeks, so that will be interesting.
What's up with that Poland squished between the Netherlands and whatever monster replaced Russia there?
