the wrecked possibilities of the Iberian Wedding hurts my eyes
Cut him/her some slack. It's their first game!
the wrecked possibilities of the Iberian Wedding hurts my eyes
the wrecked possibilities of the Iberian Wedding hurts my eyes
I would every much like you to show me a one tag Chinook or Potiguara
I always seem to see Potiguara get annexed by Portugal or Portuguese Brazil as soon as they have a border essentially leaving them with no time to prepare much like a mesoamerican start.One-tagging with Potiguara's start is probably easier than any of the Andean tech nations right now, and certainly than Mesoamericans :/.
I always seem to see Potiguara get annexed by Portugal or Portuguese Brazil as soon as they have a border essentially leaving them with no time to prepare much like a mesoamerican start.
I always seem to see Potiguara get annexed by Portugal or Portuguese Brazil as soon as they have a border essentially leaving them with no time to prepare much like a mesoamerican start.
Then you can always move to a better location. That's the beauty of American tribes, isn't it?
Ok then, I propose you execute a one-tag Potiguara.Iberians don't even land in new world until after 1500 usually and don't get colonial conquest until after 1520-1530 ish. Very much unlike Mesoamerica (because you can see and because you have an easy border), that's plenty of time to...prepare.
Yes, a better location.
Like the entire Andes, for example.
Ok then, I propose you execute a one-tag Potiguara.
I never asserted that Aztec was easier (don't put words in my mouth), I said they were similar levels of difficulty and my reasoning being that Potiguara is discovered by westerners before aztec and more isolated (I dont have COP so hadn't considered relocation).I propose you don't move the goalpost . I'm claiming Potiguara is easier than Aztec and probably than Inca, not that I can do it myself. Delhi is easier to 1-tag than either of those, but it turns out that they're pretty freaking hard too.
But in terms of relative viability/possible position in the game within the first 100 years, Potiguara wins over Aztec. Potiguara can conquer 300 development and complete westernization before 1550. With Aztec you can...pass 5 reforms and sit there, then tech to ADM 5, then maybe get a border core in time to start westernizing by 1550 if you're exceptionally lucky, otherwise you eat a blind colonial conquest DoW or just wind up waiting until 1560+ to start westernizing. Not a guaranteed loss outright, but a guaranteed loss of time.
Western + similar development at 1530 vs western at 1570 or 1580. My assertion is that the former is likely the easier candidate for 1-tagging because its position is better. Your assertion that the latter is a better position is...somewhat lacking in evidence.
But maybe I'm wrong. Can you show me how Aztec can *consistently* westernize in the 1520-1550 range in 1.13.1? If you can I would change my position. Otherwise, to the best of my knowledge now Potiguara can do it and Aztec can't, so the former wins.
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Damn! How'd you do it that fast?
I never asserted that Aztec was easier (don't put words in my mouth), I said they were similar levels of difficulty and my reasoning being that Potiguara is discovered by westerners before aztec and more isolated (I dont have COP so hadn't considered relocation).
I didn't even begin this arguement about Aztec you plucked it out of thin air. I simply pointed out two nations I don't believe could one tag. The rest of this is all your making. I couldn't care less which is worse Aztec or Potiguara. So, just for you, Aztec is a million times more difficult, happy now?You don't need CoP, you need no-CB wars.
The reason Potiguara (and other SA councils) are at a significant advantage (much higher potential than Aztec right now) is precisely because they can consistently get contact sooner. Before the Iberians get colonial conquest, they're a lot less aggressive, and you can trivially border them w/o fighting them as Potiguara, while the vast majority of your land (as in roughly 95% of your development) is located in an area they can't see yet and won't for another 20-30 years after you reform.
That is NOTHING like Aztec, where you can be hit by a colonial conquest war literally before you're capable of doing diplomacy with the nation attacking you. These are not similar situations, at all. Both can conquer 300+ development, but only one gets a guaranteed contact and westernization, and gets it so much faster and safer that it's silly.
Compare this
To this:
And try telling me the latter, which couldn't possibly start westernization until 1560, is somehow similar .
I didn't even begin this arguement about Aztec you plucked it out of thin air. I simply pointed out two nations I don't believe could one tag. The rest of this is all your making. I couldn't care less which is worse Aztec or Potiguara. So, just for you, Aztec is a million times more difficult, happy now?
It's not as hard as it is long and boring, so i get why many people don't have it yetSo it is possible! I think that-s the only achiement that on the globals on Steam says 0%!
That's an... interesting... Iberia you have going on there.A sun god achievement
By the time I got to see Europe, castile was a vassal of france with only 3 provinces on the Ivory Coast.That's an... interesting... Iberia you have going on there.