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Have I been preparing my start date too much?

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Mind telling us what's going on? Context is important.
 

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Mind telling us what's going on? Context is important.
I decided to nerf both Catholicism and Sunni by auto-converting certain regions to other heresies, hoping that they would never regain their authority. And also to make the map more fun. I'm just wondering if I'm overdoing it here. (Note it's still the starting date)
 

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I decided to nerf both Catholicism and Sunni by auto-converting certain regions to other heresies, hoping that they would never regain their authority. And also to make the map more fun. I'm just wondering if I'm overdoing it here. (Note it's still the starting date)

Whether you are overdoing it, is up to you. None of us can tell you that, you have to listen to your gut on that one

If i were doing something like this, i would be changing the title and character history setup too. To make it feel more like a lite-version of Lux Invicta
 
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I'm going to put this in here, because... "it's time for a change"

He rode in from the east with his horde and claimed to be long lost son of Roman, last Balgarsko to rule the Bulgarians. (Great I've just started and they want me to settle my tribe)
Roman-Vladimir decides to settle in Holavnik and becomes Tsar of the Balgarsko-Holavnik kingdom. (Why am I dumped in Boh as my capital.. oh well, lets press on)

Tsar Roman-Vladimir then proceeds to conquer Moldova and Zaporizhia thus having the Kingdoms of Wallachia, Moldau, Dikoya Pole and Balgarsko-Holavnik creates the Bulgarian Empire (Ok I "give_title" but by the ancestors it is my right)

So anyways, I was having the best game I've had in almost 11000 hours, my eldest boy and heir Vladimir was King of the Wallachian Rumens, Roman jnr was King of Moldova and cousin Ivan Vladislav was King of the plains, I made my empire's capital in the Crimea and life was sweet, I'd just helped the young king of Armenia fend off the Turk and got the dreaded "time for a change" end of empire pop-up...

As much as I love this mod, I hate it just as much. So what are the pro-tips of keeping my empire.. turning off EMF?
 

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I'm going to put this in here, because... "it's time for a change"

He rode in from the east with his horde and claimed to be long lost son of Roman, last Balgarsko to rule the Bulgarians. (Great I've just started and they want me to settle my tribe)
Roman-Vladimir decides to settle in Holavnik and becomes Tsar of the Balgarsko-Holavnik kingdom. (Why am I dumped in Boh as my capital.. oh well, lets press on)

Tsar Roman-Vladimir then proceeds to conquer Moldova and Zaporizhia thus having the Kingdoms of Wallachia, Moldau, Dikoya Pole and Balgarsko-Holavnik creates the Bulgarian Empire (Ok I "give_title" but by the ancestors it is my right)

So anyways, I was having the best game I've had in almost 11000 hours, my eldest boy and heir Vladimir was King of the Wallachian Rumens, Roman jnr was King of Moldova and cousin Ivan Vladislav was King of the plains, I made my empire's capital in the Crimea and life was sweet, I'd just helped the young king of Armenia fend off the Turk and got the dreaded "time for a change" end of empire pop-up...

As much as I love this mod, I hate it just as much. So what are the pro-tips of keeping my empire.. turning off EMF?

6/10 no conquest of Tsargrad :D
 

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I'm going to put this in here, because... "it's time for a change"

He rode in from the east with his horde and claimed to be long lost son of Roman, last Balgarsko to rule the Bulgarians. (Great I've just started and they want me to settle my tribe)
Roman-Vladimir decides to settle in Holavnik and becomes Tsar of the Balgarsko-Holavnik kingdom. (Why am I dumped in Boh as my capital.. oh well, lets press on)

Tsar Roman-Vladimir then proceeds to conquer Moldova and Zaporizhia thus having the Kingdoms of Wallachia, Moldau, Dikoya Pole and Balgarsko-Holavnik creates the Bulgarian Empire (Ok I "give_title" but by the ancestors it is my right)

So anyways, I was having the best game I've had in almost 11000 hours, my eldest boy and heir Vladimir was King of the Wallachian Rumens, Roman jnr was King of Moldova and cousin Ivan Vladislav was King of the plains, I made my empire's capital in the Crimea and life was sweet, I'd just helped the young king of Armenia fend off the Turk and got the dreaded "time for a change" end of empire pop-up...

As much as I love this mod, I hate it just as much. So what are the pro-tips of keeping my empire.. turning off EMF?

You need a realm size of 120 holdings to create an empire title that has no de-jure territory. if I'm not mistaken this is also the requirement to prevent the event from firing that destroys your empire title. The HRE and Byzantium both have special cases to this rule. You'd have to look into the files to see the exact numbers for those two.

If you are not above using the console a bit more. Turn on the command to instant build holdings and fill up as many slots as you need to reach 120 holdings. Then the empire title "should" stay active.

Edit: There is also a special clause for nomadic empires. They will never be targeted by the event since all independent nomads are classified as empires by the game. When you settled down you no longer had that protection and the event has a MTTH of zero days. So as soon as you were no longer protected as a nomad and the game realized you didn't have enough holdings the empire was destroyed.
 

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I'm going to put this in here, because... "it's time for a change"

He rode in from the east with his horde and claimed to be long lost son of Roman, last Balgarsko to rule the Bulgarians. (Great I've just started and they want me to settle my tribe)
Roman-Vladimir decides to settle in Holavnik and becomes Tsar of the Balgarsko-Holavnik kingdom. (Why am I dumped in Boh as my capital.. oh well, lets press on)

Tsar Roman-Vladimir then proceeds to conquer Moldova and Zaporizhia thus having the Kingdoms of Wallachia, Moldau, Dikoya Pole and Balgarsko-Holavnik creates the Bulgarian Empire (Ok I "give_title" but by the ancestors it is my right)

So anyways, I was having the best game I've had in almost 11000 hours, my eldest boy and heir Vladimir was King of the Wallachian Rumens, Roman jnr was King of Moldova and cousin Ivan Vladislav was King of the plains, I made my empire's capital in the Crimea and life was sweet, I'd just helped the young king of Armenia fend off the Turk and got the dreaded "time for a change" end of empire pop-up...

As much as I love this mod, I hate it just as much. So what are the pro-tips of keeping my empire.. turning off EMF?

The trigger used to decide whether to dissolve an empire for being too small (in \common\scripted_triggers\emf_empire_triggers) has a list of exceptions, never to be dissolved no matter how small they get (for the Mongols, Seljuks etc). If you add e_bulgaria to that list and run from your last savegame, it should be fine.

IIRC, Bulgaria used to have weaker requirements, so that the historical Second Bulgarian Empire could be modeled as an Empire, but at some point the exception was removed and the empire re-interpreted (kind of reasonably) as a Kingdom.
 

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How can you keep titular titles like d_saxony and d_niederlothringen from dissolving? What emf file is that in?
Not so sure about that. I think that (some?) titular titles are removed when their holder gets their hands on a de jure title to replace them with, but I'm not sure of the mechanism. Probably a question for the general forum, rather than this thread, if it's giving you problems.
 

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Also, speaking of Bulgarias, here's mine!
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A game of quite a few reversed fortunes. Hungary had a rocky start, getting excommunicated early on, and losing most of its Balkan holdings to revolts in the first few decades of the 13th Century (with a little help from some well-timed Bulgarian wars), only to regroup and wind up pressing a claim on the HRE, which has remained mostly in Arpad hands ever since. The Russian principalities fared poorly against the Cuman Khanate, culminating in the subjugation of Vladmir. However, shortly after reaching this milestone, the Cumans settled in the region around Crimea, and were usurped and absorbed by their Rurikovich vassals within a few generations. The 'restored' Basileia Rhomaion originated in a union between Nicaea and Trebizond (after some de-jure-fiddling by me to make the restoration possible), but has largely failed to do much beyond stopping the bleeding, and will likely be made a Bulgarian tributary as soon as the HRE suffers a large enough revolt for Bulgaria to be able to safely turn their attention to the South. Georgia, on the other hand, has expanded quite nicely, and seems on-track to become the foremost Orthodox power South of the Black Sea if they can maintain warm enough relations with the Rus to keep their lands north of the Caucasus from becoming a third front.
 

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Also, speaking of Bulgarias, here's mine! View attachment 415455

A game of quite a few reversed fortunes. Hungary had a rocky start, getting excommunicated early on, and losing most of its Balkan holdings to revolts in the first few decades of the 13th Century (with a little help from some well-timed Bulgarian wars), only to regroup and wind up pressing a claim on the HRE, which has remained mostly in Arpad hands ever since. The Russian principalities fared poorly against the Cuman Khanate, culminating in the subjugation of Vladmir. However, shortly after reaching this milestone, the Cumans settled in the region around Crimea, and were usurped and absorbed by their Rurikovich vassals within a few generations. The 'restored' Basileia Rhomaion originated in a union between Nicaea and Trebizond (after some de-jure-fiddling by me to make the restoration possible), but has largely failed to do much beyond stopping the bleeding, and will likely be made a Bulgarian tributary as soon as the HRE suffers a large enough revolt for Bulgaria to be able to safely turn their attention to the South. Georgia, on the other hand, has expanded quite nicely, and seems on-track to become the foremost Orthodox power South of the Black Sea if they can maintain warm enough relations with the Rus to keep their lands north of the Caucasus from becoming a third front.

Tsargrad is just next door..now go complete what Simeon should have done.

That HRE though. I feel that this is an area that HIP could improve on. There's simply no way the German princes would have remained silent with a Hungarian king on the throne. It should be restricted for them alone.

Even Frederick II who had unquestionable German ancestry had trouble(s) since his power was focused on southern Italy.
 

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Also, speaking of Bulgarias, here's mine! View attachment 415455

A game of quite a few reversed fortunes. Hungary had a rocky start, getting excommunicated early on, and losing most of its Balkan holdings to revolts in the first few decades of the 13th Century (with a little help from some well-timed Bulgarian wars), only to regroup and wind up pressing a claim on the HRE, which has remained mostly in Arpad hands ever since. The Russian principalities fared poorly against the Cuman Khanate, culminating in the subjugation of Vladmir. However, shortly after reaching this milestone, the Cumans settled in the region around Crimea, and were usurped and absorbed by their Rurikovich vassals within a few generations. The 'restored' Basileia Rhomaion originated in a union between Nicaea and Trebizond (after some de-jure-fiddling by me to make the restoration possible), but has largely failed to do much beyond stopping the bleeding, and will likely be made a Bulgarian tributary as soon as the HRE suffers a large enough revolt for Bulgaria to be able to safely turn their attention to the South. Georgia, on the other hand, has expanded quite nicely, and seems on-track to become the foremost Orthodox power South of the Black Sea if they can maintain warm enough relations with the Rus to keep their lands north of the Caucasus from becoming a third front.

Beautiful. There's something so appealing about the Balkans in HIP. Interestings how you've vassalized the other Balkan kingdoms. Are they ruled by native dynasties or Bulgarians?
 

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Tsargrad is just next door..now go complete what Simeon should have done.

That HRE though. I feel that this is an area that HIP could improve on. There's simply no way the German princes would have remained silent with a Hungarian king on the throne. It should be restricted for them alone.

Even Frederick II who had unquestionable German ancestry had trouble(s) since his power was focused on southern Italy.
Did you see one of the recent dev diaries? The one about moddable elective succession?

...see where I'm going with this?
 

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Tsargrad is just next door..now go complete what Simeon should have done.

That HRE though. I feel that this is an area that HIP could improve on. There's simply no way the German princes would have remained silent with a Hungarian king on the throne. It should be restricted for them alone.

Even Frederick II who had unquestionable German ancestry had trouble(s) since his power was focused on southern Italy.
Tsargrad may be nearby, but it's presently a plague-ridden mess. Either my luck (and slightly meta-game-y prioritization of hospitals) has been serving me unusually well, or the Tarnovo region is bizarrely defensible against disease: I've got level 4 (if memory serves) hospitals in Tarnovo itself, along with Sredets, Zagore and Karvuna (plus token efforts elsewhere, mainly from vassals), and with the black death just beginning to clear out I still have 4 demesne counties that just never got hit. Iceland may still be unbeaten in geographical plague-proofing, but under current county arangements Bulgaria seems about as good as it gets on the mainland.

Between Tarnovo booming, Constantinople being half-depopulated, and the second Bulgarian Empire's origins in separation from the ERE, it seemed more fitting to let the empire reform in my sphere of influence than to rule Constantinople outright and be forced to either take the Empire or break it permanently.

Beautiful. There's something so appealing about the Balkans in HIP. Interestings how you've vassalized the other Balkan kingdoms. Are they ruled by native dynasties or Bulgarians?
Yeah - by this point it's almost a cliche to harp on about the SWMH map, but there are areas where they've really done some really incredible work, the Balkans amongst them.

The vassal Kings are currently all native - I picked up Vlach dukes whilst taking Wallachia and Moldova off the Cumans, and left them in charge. I elevated Drach (Dyrachium, iirc) to a Kingdom after getting an Albanian count whilst pressing a claim there. I have a Greek vassal King ruling the parts of Peninsular Greece that I control, under the title of Megale Vlachia (likewise custom - added whilst I was editing the de-jure setup to allow the ERE to reform), and I picked up the Kingdom of Serbia in a direct vassalization war after my existing vassals whittled it down enough to safely absorb. Aside from my Dukes, about half of whom are Bulgarian, the only exception is Dubrovnik, which I gave to a Croatian Prince-Mayor (didn't want to stack the 'wrong government-type' and 'wrong culture-group' opinion maluses on one vassal).
 

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Did you see one of the recent dev diaries? The one about moddable elective succession?

...see where I'm going with this?

Now I just did. Sorry, never check it much.

Tsargrad may be nearby, but it's presently a plague-ridden mess. Either my luck (and slightly meta-game-y prioritization of hospitals) has been serving me unusually well, or the Tarnovo region is bizarrely defensible against disease: I've got level 4 (if memory serves) hospitals in Tarnovo itself, along with Sredets, Zagore and Karvuna (plus token efforts elsewhere, mainly from vassals), and with the black death just beginning to clear out I still have 4 demesne counties that just never got hit. Iceland may still be unbeaten in geographical plague-proofing, but under current county arangements Bulgaria seems about as good as it gets on the mainland.

Between Tarnovo booming, Constantinople being half-depopulated, and the second Bulgarian Empire's origins in separation from the ERE, it seemed more fitting to let the empire reform in my sphere of influence than to rule Constantinople outright and be forced to either take the Empire or break it permanently.


Yeah - by this point it's almost a cliche to harp on about the SWMH map, but there are areas where they've really done some really incredible work, the Balkans amongst them.

The vassal Kings are currently all native - I picked up Vlach dukes whilst taking Wallachia and Moldova off the Cumans, and left them in charge. I elevated Drach (Dyrachium, iirc) to a Kingdom after getting an Albanian count whilst pressing a claim there. I have a Greek vassal King ruling the parts of Peninsular Greece that I control, under the title of Megale Vlachia (likewise custom - added whilst I was editing the de-jure setup to allow the ERE to reform), and I picked up the Kingdom of Serbia in a direct vassalization war after my existing vassals whittled it down enough to safely absorb. Aside from my Dukes, about half of whom are Bulgarian, the only exception is Dubrovnik, which I gave to a Croatian Prince-Mayor (didn't want to stack the 'wrong government-type' and 'wrong culture-group' opinion maluses on one vassal).

Yeah it's probably more rewarding to play tall and focus around Tarnovo at that point. This is also why I rarely do map painting because the provinces you get outside of Europe and historical capitals are underwhelming to say the least (and developing the crap ones take forever), like the tribal areas of North Africa for example. Ironic, considering I made a CB submod for well, map painting.
 
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Firstly if I failed to thank anyone who gave advice, I'd like to thank you now. I ended up starting again with the 1040 start with some edits. (Creating Serbia and bringing my family home and returning Vaspurakan to the Armenians)

The Serbian thing was a total waste of time as you can see, bloody ERE and their refusal of my help. The Armenians seem to be holding strong, I must admit this is my first 1040 start in a very long time and my experience with the 1018 start, there's nothing much you can do to help them being wiped before 1030.

Anyway, I'm quite happy with my progress, we're pressing on to claim/reunite with our Bolgar cousins and bring them into the Bulgarian Orthodox flock.

Diplomacy: Once again with 1018, the Kiev Rus' tend to get a hiding, however they're pretty solid in 1040, so they're are an ally but I am being very wary of them, I really don't need them blocking my eastward march. (my wife is a Rurik with claims, so I feel somewhat safe)

The Greeks have been somewhat none existent, politicaly speaking. Busy with Serbia and Muslim Sicily to worry about us.

Other news in our area in 1060: Croatia is snapping up whatever left overs they can in Serbia. A fat frank from the "von Babenburg" dynasty sits on the Magyar throne.

And so far my dreams are being fulfilled!
 
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The Varangian to finally unite all of the former Roman territories was Ragnar "The Wise" Ringelisson, son of Snøfrid "The Lionheart" Magnusdatter, after gruelling, non-stop warfare with the German pretenders. The exarchs of Africa are bringing civilization to the West Africans, the exarch of Assyria is chipping away at the crumbling Seljuks, and the exarchs of Britain are conquering the last Celts in Hibernia.

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The remnants of the Germans who called themselves Roman were quickly integrated into the Varangian sphere to keep them from the Romuvans, together with the Scandinavians. The three Baltic kingdoms of Livonia, Kiev, and Wendia were founded on top of the old catholic Slavs and Germans, and adhere to the only religion aside from Orthodox with any legitimacy. Because of old dynastic ties from when Harald Fairhair himself sailed and pillaged his way through the eastern realms, the Balts enjoy relatively cordial relations with the empire, up to and including alliances. The two brother-kings of Novgorod and Vladimir do nothing but undermine the legitimacy of Orthodoxy.

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The Seljuks have been in civil war for 150 years, losing Syria and Arabia to the Romans. The Kipchak clan of Ören has subjugated the northern Finns, but are far overstretched. The imperial colony in India has done nothing for the empire, a pet project of the Assyrian exarch. The alliance of Assyria, Egypt, and Gallia is a bit concerning, especially when the exarchs raise their voices, but a few poisened daggers should take care of that. Not very Varangian, but Ragnar understands that a massive civil war won't be good for the economy. He is Ragnar "The Wise", after all.

I hope to use the Balts and Slavs as buffers agains the Mongols, since it won't cost orthodox moral authority, and hope that they burn themselves out taking Persia from the Turks. In retrospect, I regret converting the Slavs, as they've only cost me moral authority by losing holy wars. The Caucasian exarchs have been conquering the Finnic and Turkic tribes, which I fear will give the Mongols a path to attack the empire's economic heartland in Anatolia, Syria, and Egypt directly. Still, Ragnar has a martial of 50, a staggering number of capable commanders to choose from, and quarter of a million soldiers to call upon, not to mention his allies and client states, as well as a war chest large enough to hire another 100k mercenaries. All in all, maybe 400k-500k. I hope that will be enough (I plan on buffing the Mongols a lot to make it more interesting).
 

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The Varangian to finally unite all of the former Roman territories was Ragnar "The Wise" Ringelisson, son of Snøfrid "The Lionheart" Magnusdatter, after gruelling, non-stop warfare with the German pretenders. The exarchs of Africa are bringing civilization to the West Africans, the exarch of Assyria is chipping away at the crumbling Seljuks, and the exarchs of Britain are conquering the last Celts in Hibernia.

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The remnants of the Germans who called themselves Roman were quickly integrated into the Varangian sphere to keep them from the Romuvans, together with the Scandinavians. The three Baltic kingdoms of Livonia, Kiev, and Wendia were founded on top of the old catholic Slavs and Germans, and adhere to the only religion aside from Orthodox with any legitimacy. Because of old dynastic ties from when Harald Fairhair himself sailed and pillaged his way through the eastern realms, the Balts enjoy relatively cordial relations with the empire, up to and including alliances. The two brother-kings of Novgorod and Vladimir do nothing but undermine the legitimacy of Orthodoxy.

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The Seljuks have been in civil war for 150 years, losing Syria and Arabia to the Romans. The Kipchak clan of Ören has subjugated the northern Finns, but are far overstretched. The imperial colony in India has done nothing for the empire, a pet project of the Assyrian exarch. The alliance of Assyria, Egypt, and Gallia is a bit concerning, especially when the exarchs raise their voices, but a few poisened daggers should take care of that. Not very Varangian, but Ragnar understands that a massive civil war won't be good for the economy. He is Ragnar "The Wise", after all.

I hope to use the Balts and Slavs as buffers agains the Mongols, since it won't cost orthodox moral authority, and hope that they burn themselves out taking Persia from the Turks. In retrospect, I regret converting the Slavs, as they've only cost me moral authority by losing holy wars. The Caucasian exarchs have been conquering the Finnic and Turkic tribes, which I fear will give the Mongols a path to attack the empire's economic heartland in Anatolia, Syria, and Egypt directly. Still, Ragnar has a martial of 50, a staggering number of capable commanders to choose from, and quarter of a million soldiers to call upon, not to mention his allies and client states, as well as a war chest large enough to hire another 100k mercenaries. All in all, maybe 400k-500k. I hope that will be enough (I plan on buffing the Mongols a lot to make it more interesting).

Are you developing those steppe areas? I never understand people playing feudal/imperial faction and spreading into the steppes. Well, a matter of taste I guess.
 

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Are you developing those steppe areas? I never understand people playing feudal/imperial faction and spreading into the steppes. Well, a matter of taste I guess.

That's not me, but my Caucasian vassals. More specifically, the Kartvelian and some Anatolian exarchs. They've been expaning on their own, and I don't want to piss them off.

Also,
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Honest or humble?
 
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