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How good is your computer??? Because I was approximatly 3/4 of conquering the entire world when a revolt that tore everything up in two , made my decent laptop take 30 seconds per in game day... (which spelled the end of my game :( :( :( )
Yeah. From 769, I can't even get past 1150 before giving up because the game's way too slow.
 
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Yeah, performance does become an issue at some point. The autosaves end up taking 10-20 seconds even with a really fast CPU and SSD. I have a fairly strong gaming rig, though it's a few years old now. (i7-3770K cpu) World conquest is a bit of a grind, and I definitely don't go for it in every playthrough. I've only done it a couple of times before.

On the subject of revolts: I use 100% light skirmish retinue for the high troop count and ease of use, and even my most terrible rulers never let factions fire because they can't really get a high enough number of troops to make demands.
 

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Yeah, performance does become an issue at some point. The autosaves end up taking 10-20 seconds even with a really fast CPU and SSD. I have a fairly strong gaming rig, though it's a few years old now. (i7-3770K cpu) World conquest is a bit of a grind, and I definitely don't go for it in every playthrough. I've only done it a couple of times before.
From a fast google check I noticed that's 1.3 gHz faster than my cpu... makes sense.
You play ironman probably as well ,so too often you are confronted with having stuff saved ?:p
 

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Third Generation, Germanic Paganism reformed, Tengrism by some Chasar Guy reformed.
 
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I heard from a friend that they are planning to optimise the game for this particular problem ,do you know where they might have said it?
Groogy said it somewhere else, I think it was on twitter. BUUUTTT, he didn't give a full detail analysis of the optimization, all he said is it speeds up early game performance. The assumption is that if it speeds up early game performance, it will speed up late game performance, but it is possible that it could still get slower the further on you play.
 

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Groogy said it somewhere else, I think it was on twitter. BUUUTTT, he didn't give a full detail analysis of the optimization, all he said is it speeds up early game performance. The assumption is that if it speeds up early game performance, it will speed up late game performance, but it is possible that it could still get slower the further on you play.
Pretty sure you have it backwards. Early game will have little gains but late game will be way faster.
 
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The early game is usually not a problem for me in the first place. It just gets slower the further the game progresses. Probably due to a larger number of characters existing and experiencing events, and more holdings being created.
 

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The early game is usually not a problem for me in the first place. It just gets slower the further the game progresses. Probably due to a larger number of characters existing and experiencing events, and more holdings being created.

Hehe, Paradox was lazy and only put the ruling families / nobility and forgot all about the peasants and rice farmers at start dates, that's why late game after 1000000000000 peasant revolts and you finally get some peasant descendants sitting around court, things start slowly getting slower.
 

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Oh yea, and this is kinda getting a bit OT with the lag discussion, I think we should go back to discussing empires, kingdoms, and duchies that people brought to glory. :) *As if we weren't even more horribly OT a few pages back discussing disagrees... :oops:*
 

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The early game is usually not a problem for me in the first place. It just gets slower the further the game progresses. Probably due to a larger number of characters existing and experiencing events, and more holdings being created.
Yeah early game is never a problem unless you have huge mods. Late game slows to a crawl though.
 
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Yeah early game is never a problem unless you have huge mods. Late game slows to a crawl though.

Usually with mods it doesn't lag, as the largest mods tend to only change the entirety of the game, which only makes it lag as much as the game did originally.
But if they have more content than the original game, than yes they would lag more.
 

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Oh yea, and this is kinda getting a bit OT with the lag discussion, I think we should go back to discussing empires, kingdoms, and duchies that people brought to glory. :) *As if we weren't even more horribly OT a few pages back discussing disagrees... :oops:*

I happen to have another little empire to share!
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Started as the Duke of Crimea, which is a tengri tribal with khazar culture, under the king of Khazaria.
Intrigued my way to the kingdom of Khazaria, granted everything but my own duchy independence. Had a random jewish steward show up at my court, so I landed him and made him educate my heir. With jewish religion (but still Khazar culture) I could stop being tribal and form a merchant republic, so I did that, and swore fealty to the Byzantine Empire. Kept the Basileus happy with my chancellors and managed to stay jewish. It took a few centuries to finally break apart the Byzantine Empire from the inside, and build enough power to attack the caliphate on my own, but in the end my Jewish Horde prevailed! The decision to build the third temple was broken when my ruler died before it was finished, so unfortunately I was unable to restore the high priesthood. I was also unable to use the altaic culture invasion CB. I guess Jews aren't allowed to use it, the same way Christians aren't.
Since I can't get holy orders or great holy wars without changing to yet another religion, I probably won't continue playing this save.
 
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I happen to have another little empire to share!

Started as the Duke of Crimea, which is a tengri tribal with khazar culture, under the king of Khazaria.
Intrigued my way to the kingdom of Khazaria, granted everything but my own duchy independence. Had a random jewish steward show up at my court, so I landed him and made him educate my heir. With jewish religion (but still Khazar culture) I could stop being tribal and form a merchant republic, so I did that, and swore fealty to the Byzantine Empire. Kept the Basileus happy with my chancellors and managed to stay jewish. It took a few centuries to finally break apart the Byzantine Empire from the inside, and build enough power to attack the caliphate on my own, but in the end my Jewish Horde prevailed! The decision to build the third temple was broken when my ruler died before it was finished, so unfortunately I was unable to restore the high priesthood. I was also unable to use the altaic culture invasion CB. I guess Jews aren't allowed to use it, the same way Christians aren't.
Since I can't get holy orders or great holy wars without changing to yet another religion, I probably won't continue playing this save.

Impressive, taking on the full might of the Eastern Green Blob alone.:cool:*I like to live dangerously too*
But yea, that game breaking bug has to sting man. :(
 

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Usually with mods it doesn't lag, as the largest mods tend to only change the entirety of the game, which only makes it lag as much as the game did originally.
But if they have more content than the original game, than yes they would lag more.
Yeah. Mods that add a lot to the base game would probably add more strain than a Total Conversion, although my game usually is a bit more sluggish with some TCs. With vanilla I run the highest settings and it runs like a hot knife through butter for the first few hundred years. In my longest game ATM, I'm over 400 years in and I think the reason why it's so much slower is because there's been a population explosion. Pretty big every king/emperor's dynasty has hundreds of living members(and thousands of dead ones, but I don't think that affects performance). The devs also said that castration, blindness and some Muslim decisions are optimised really poorly and are constantly checked by the game engine. Usually the Muslim blobs and Byzantium stay really big and since CK2's population always explodes, there's thousands of characters constantly checking the same decisions which puts a huge strain on the game. In the next patch the devs are fixing those among other things so the game would run much better, but they really need to fix how the numbers of characters multiplies so much. It's unrealistic and it's a major cause for late game sluggishness.

Anyway, so that this post isn't completely off topic, here's my game:
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I started as the Duke of Wessex in 769. Up until 1000, I tried to expand slowly so I wouldn't be a megablob. But then I got bored and I went from England, Scotland, Wales and Saxony to my current giant empire in less than 150 years. My dynasty leads every single Holy Order but they all convert to random cultures as soon as they become the leaders(because Holy Orders have hardcoded cultures for whatever reason).

The Shias managed to crush the Abbasids(who are now a tiny Shia duchy) but then they collapsed into several countries. The light green duchy of Algers is the last Sunni realm. The light yellow in northern Spain is the Yazidi Empire of Hispania. Formerly the Sunni Umayyad blob, with all of North Africa, Spain and Aquitaine under their control, they are now a tiny Yazidi state ruled by house Sanjo(who are just about to be overthrown by rebels.

Ethiopia is divided between two Ethiopian Monophysite countries. It's a miracle that they managed such a huge comeback. A Monophysite ruler originally united Ethiopia hundreds of years ago but after Muslim invasions and tons of rebellions, his realm(although it was a descendent ruling by this point) collapsed. Ethiopia was divided into lots of Muslim emirates(the Abbasids being one) and a few Ethiopian duchies but somehow they prevailed and reunited. The Abbasids had created the custom kingdom of Nobatia, which is now the lighter of the Ethiopian countries(although it's no longer Abbasid or Muslim). The Abbasids managed to pop up again as a small duchy just south of Armenia. Mali is still West African Pagan and they managed to expand into North Africa even before the Byzzies and I weakened the nations there.

In Eastern Europe, the Slovensky dynasty rules Bohemia, Poland and my vassal Lithuania. They used to rule Russia and Ruthenia as well back when they were pagan, but when I converted both of them to Catholicism, rebellions caused them to collapse into tons of minor states. Several nations such as Byzantium, Finland(who were once a huge Estonian Suomenusko blob before the Norse king of Sweden inherited somehow. It was reborn through gavelking as a weak Norse state), and even Poland took slices of Russia and Ruthenia. Up until 1050, pretty much every Eastern European country was still Pagan but now only Poland and some minor OPMs are Pagan.
 
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Groogy said it somewhere else, I think it was on twitter. BUUUTTT, he didn't give a full detail analysis of the optimization, all he said is it speeds up early game performance. The assumption is that if it speeds up early game performance, it will speed up late game performance, but it is possible that it could still get slower the further on you play.

He's expanded on the optimisation in various posts throughout the forum (please don't ask me to find exactly where :p) and has said that the game will now have a year in a few seconds, so I'm guessing that even the late game will be pretty damn fast- I imagine this is an exaggeration, but still, we should be free of laggy gameplay.
 

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He's expanded on the optimisation in various posts throughout the forum (please don't ask me to find exactly where :p) and has said that the game will now have a year in a few seconds, so I'm guessing that even the late game will be pretty damn fast- I imagine this is an exaggeration, but still, we should be free of laggy gameplay.

Gosh I hope it's an exaggeration, imagine finishing a game in 2100 seconds? That would only be 35 minutes! Talk about a speed run! lol
 

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I think it'd clear up if people just commented why, ok this OT, so I'm going to shut down before flaming / admins come in, ok? As interesting as conversation is, hijacking is against forum rules, and I don't want any of you guys getting banned.

And some body even managed to disagree with this.... Yea, I'm pretty sure when 1 person disagrees with 15 different posts, it's saying 'something'.... *sigh* Oh well, it's the internet there will be people that do that.
 
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Hello paradoxplaza :)
Here comes my first post :D
Start date: 769
Starting character: Krum of course, the high chief of Karvuna
Reason to start: After 2 unsuccessful croatian games I was looking for a game in which I could not only defend as pagan against byzzies, but also actually destroy them. Well, after that, those invasions on abbasids really get addicting :D
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