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Implementing the AI able to understand the player-made kitty-looking battle plans is left as an exercise for the reader.
True it just depends on how you draw your battleplans and share em with the AI. In its current state the AI wouldnt be able to deal with battleplans since they are not specific enough. But the idea can be used as a stepping stone towards Allied cooperation...who knows what PI might come up with? ;)
 

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Fair enough...but i would still like to see better cooperation with our Allies and sharing batlleplans in single player mode can be a step in the right direction.

You can achieve this thru manipulation of the expeditionary forces and allied objective features of this game...its simply the skill of the player with the ability to figure them out that makes allied cooperation lackluster.
 

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You can achieve this thru manipulation of the expeditionary forces and allied objective features of this game...its simply the skill of the player with the ability to figure them out that makes allied cooperation lackluster.
I know but thats to far from reality for my liking and also doesnt deal with certain issues.

For example: In a game as Germany I invaded the USSR. My Rumanian Allies deployed almost their entire army in Russia. But in one area and behind my front which crippled my troops because of supply problems. Setting objectives in their own country didnt work. Historically Rumanian, but also Hungarian, Italian and Spanish, forces were under control of an German Army or Army Group.

Another example is North-Africa. You can send in German troops to help but you cant control the Italian forces and again they deploy a huge amount of forces so the offensive to save the Italians is stopped dead in its tracks again because of supply issues.

The best example is D-Day. This was a combined effort and American, Canadian and British forces landed along the coast at the same time supported by fleets and air forces from several countries. All under the command of one general, Eisenhower, who commanded SHAEF. And D-Day was supported by a Russian offensive that started around the same time because the Allies shared their plans with Stalin!

What I am looking for, and that’s where the battle plans come in as a steppingstone, is a real SHAEF for the Allies. So when you play Enlgand and you invade France you don’t have to hope to get some American support or vice versa. When you play Germany all forces of your Allies in Russia automatically are under German control…etc

Now dealing with these issues isnt easy but sharing detailed and specific plans is a step in the right direction. The next step could be to implement an event for the set up of SHAEF and it would be controlled by whoever the human player (England or USA). Inclusing all forces under the command of SHAEF!
 

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What I am looking for, and that’s where the battle plans come in as a steppingstone, is a real SHAEF for the Allies. So when you play Enlgand and you invade France you don’t have to hope to get some American support or vice versa. When you play Germany all forces of your Allies in Russia automatically are under German control…etc

This should be represented by exp forces. Maybe the interface for requesting them should be improved and the AI be more keen to accept your requests if you're the faction leader?
 

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This should be represented by exp forces. Maybe the interface for requesting them should be improved and the AI be more keen to accept your requests if you're the faction leader?
Improving it cant hurt, by I am bit annoyed by how easy it is to perform D-Day. As a player all you have to decide in which month you are gonna invade France but the exact period and not where and it definitely is impossible to share this information with Stalin so the Germans can be pressured at two fronts at the same time.

The thing with operations like D-Day and Barbarossa is that it took months of planning and preparations. Not to mention the intel that had to be gathered. Furthermore land, naval and air units were reserved and assigned to D-Day.
In game it’s possible to perform D-Day when the AI or player makes a minor mistake. For example withdrawing one coastal garrison to deal with partisans can trigger D-Day without any preparations or planning! Completely unrealistic IMO.
 

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Less words, more battleplans!

Most of the battleplans presented here do look really fancy, and colorful, and stuff - but I cannot imagine they actually help at all. Don't get me wrong, I love the tool (helps me to cut my eastern front in manageable parts, set and remember(!) future objectives). But I never draw more than my expected target frontline for the current offensive phase, the main attack angles and targets (mostly for my Panzer-Korps). This requires about one style of arrow, two dashed lines, two colors and some text... :)

After all, editing and drawing the battleplans is often a pain in the ass (just try to select one particular object near other ones...)
 

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Most of the battleplans presented here do look really fancy, and colorful, and stuff - but I cannot imagine they actually help at all. Don't get me wrong, I love the tool (helps me to cut my eastern front in manageable parts, set and remember(!) future objectives). But I never draw more than my expected target frontline for the current offensive phase, the main attack angles and targets (mostly for my Panzer-Korps). This requires about one style of arrow, two dashed lines, two colors and some text... :)

After all, editing and drawing the battleplans is often a pain in the ass (just try to select one particular object near other ones...)

I use them to combine other mapmodes into my supply map mode. VP's, Resources, airfields with airbridges.
 

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Most of the battleplans presented here do look really fancy, and colorful, and stuff - but I cannot imagine they actually help at all. Don't get me wrong, I love the tool (helps me to cut my eastern front in manageable parts, set and remember(!) future objectives). But I never draw more than my expected target frontline for the current offensive phase, the main attack angles and targets (mostly for my Panzer-Korps). This requires about one style of arrow, two dashed lines, two colors and some text... :)

That's exactly what I used the one I posted for. Now that I have tried them, I don't now how I could live without them. :)
 

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I just would be nice to be able to change the degree transparency. All to often it is impossible to see anything without tunring the whole thing on and off all the time. It's especially bad for this "explosion" icon...
 

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I just would be nice to be able to change the degree transparency. All to often it is impossible to see anything without tunring the whole thing on and off all the time. It's especially bad for this "explosion" icon...

This! And being able to choose to have the plan drawn above units or not.
 

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I use them to combine other mapmodes into my supply map mode. VP's, Resources, airfields with airbridges.

This is my favourite use for the tool as well.
I also mark impassable infrastructure, and main routes of good infrastructure on the supply map mode, and place the landing craft icon for zones that I have infrastructure construction under way, as well.

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My official Invasion Plan for Poland.

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EDIT :

Note:

I first move my 1st army panzer to open a corridor. to our stranded troops, and to cut trough poland territory, THEN, only after, I send the 1st Army Infantry to advance. At the same time I send my 1st army Infantry, I send my Fallschirmyager.
 
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My plans for the conquer of Bolivia :). (I'm bit of a newbie, but I think this will do).
Difficulty: Easy

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Me neither.

I'd like to have an A0 print to hang on my wall though.

You know, something I can mount on cardboard, cover in plastic & stick lots of pins in :D

I must say though, some of these do look very very pretty.
 

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Ive never even used it yet...how does it work? any help/suggestions would be apreciated!

Well its like a very basic paint program, that you can use the Supplied symbols, and arrows, to paint on transparent overlays, that can be turned on, and off by you. I'm not sure if there is a limit to how many layers you can have, but its a lot.
Best thing to do is to just play around with it, you will soon figure out how it works, and it is kind of fun.