I think for the apocalypse just leave it blank, let it be whatever the player wants it to be. It was bad and bad enough that lots of people made up stories about it and told those stories to their grandchildren who thought the would had always been like that and while most of the stories contain a bit of the truth none contain all of it and many are completely made up, never intended to be believed just as stories but got out of control and spread and now no ones entirely sure as all the evidence blew up with it or was lost in the ash generations.
Nuclear is probably the best, as its kind of what the genre is about. But leaving it vague works better.
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Except not having a religion leader doesn't really do much other than take away options and possibilities. It doesn't change your interaction with your religion, it just basically eliminates it.
It means having a direct relationship with religion. Ruler of Ontario is also the religious leader of ontario, ruler of one village is also the religious leader of that one village. So instead of going through the bishop or deferring to universal authority, a direct relationship with all aspects of law and life of those under you. A Modern Government, absolute. No one over any of the others except by secular bond [ie vassalage or conquest]
Its adds possibilities, not diminish them.
Which isn't what I proposed. They place other people as kings. They have little or no secular authority themselves.
Furthermore, you've said repeatedly how just because something is American today doesn't mean it has to be in the mod. So voting clearly means something different in the far future. The American religion in the future simply believes that only certain people should have the right to vote (i.e. nobles). Or the various legislatures simply rubberstamp everything the executive suggests - the various historical parliaments in CK1 played little or no role.
Nobles vote only for the President, the leader of the nobles. Bills, acts, ammendments, etc are voted on by the Congressmen. As Secular laws and states are elected by their vassals and nobles in Ck2 and Church doctrine, policy, popes etc are voted on by the clergy in the councils. Does voting have to be the everything? Representation and equal say means more than the mechanics of raising your hand or writing something on a slip of paper. Having a say, not voting. All states being involved and the idea of all states being involved not subjugated under one another as the foundation for the contracts and independence of feudalism. A count is a ruler with an agreement with the duke over him, not one step down on a chain of command, but an independent ruler bound by oath and contract, Equal in rights and equally represented.
Heres the problem with the judges claim, and specially your backstory. When societies are rebuilding themselves, one stands up and says, I am the Courts, the absolute authority do as i say and i will arbitrate for you justly and uphold your rights. The Courts first assume power, then the world falls they stand up and say, I am the legitimate authority, bow to me or face the consequences, we will rebuild the nation. follow us or face us!
Any warlord could say that, just as any warlord could stand up and say he was congress or the president. How are they are different? they have the legitimate claim by blood?
its how they act and what they do, The Supreme Court is a king, commands and expects to be followed. Arbitrates disagreements between those under him, is the Rule of Law.
My Congress suggestion isnt that, its a group of people who go the warlords and says, were trying to keep government alive, keep democracy alive. Join us, work with us, be part of it. Not as secular rulers from father to son, not as tyrants by command and instruction. But by congress, by co-operation. Not be ruled by us, but work with us and be part of us, be represented in the government. Not just ruled by it. Have a say in the federal laws, not just punished for not following them. If you agree to follow our rules then you get to be part of something bigger, the rebirth of a nation.
Not the subjugation under something simple and absolute, the confederation, ahundred secular rulers in common civilisation, independent but alike, rulers under common rule by consent. A broad and mighty civilisation of democracy and natural rights, not under a tyranny of justice and absolute decisions. Something born out of more than just another warlord with different PR, America reborn, her democracy and her rights and her liberties, not just her justice and paperwork.
When I dared to suggest that Crusade targets for the Americans involve places that were once their possessions, you kicked up an unholy fuss about how the past had nothing to with the present of the mod...
I don't mind you complaining about every idea I put forth. I do mind if you're just doing it because you didn't come up with the ideas.
You mean like you do in every single post? I complain about your ideas because they are violently and completely incompatible with mine, and jaols and gloas. If they were the same i would like them. I dont because they go against mine in every way, shape and form. The ideas you have that work alongside mine i have no issue with its, the only the ones that are utterly opposed that i have issue with.
I was saying recently ruled, part of what the thing is in the mod not what it takes its name and legacy from, part of the empire because it held it, 100 years ago at the most, had it after the new civilisation arised, had it as part of its heartland but lost it very recently. Was an essential part of the new presidency when it was proclaim but lost a generation or two before the game to barbarians, underclass rebellion, heresy, etc. Not just because all that is america now is de jure american, but all that was the empire tag when it was proclaimed and for most of its history is even if it was recently lost. Not all places that were once American, all places that are current american in the modern world or the setting, but all places essential to the identity of the american Empire level tag.
The Byzantines having claim over anatolia even though its lost in the first generation of the game, not because the empire athousand years ago had it, but because it was part of the thing as the thing is now. Cnut's Empire if it existed in game would have england de jure, not because of some ancient and arbitrary dead claim but because the england is part of what it is. If it is just scandanavia its just scandanavia, what makes it Cnut's kingdom is england as well and if it doesnt have england then its not Cnut's.
You really dont get it. The Highschool teacher spends his whole life struggling to survive, so do his children and his childrens children.
It took less then twenty years following the moslem conquest of syria for all the irrigation, the infrastructure and all the technology to fall apart and beyond repair just from neglect. And that wasnt even anything bad happening.
Yes in your mind a high school teacher could build an airplane or a toaster or a generator, but he wouldnt. He would spend his time trying to feed his family and stay alive. And by the time things were quiet enough for anyone to care about high technology, generations and generations would have passed so the skills wouldnt be there, the language would have changed and the concepts that they rely on gone or dramatic different.
You might as well say that unless everyone dies capitalism and modern political parties would come back because people remembered them and new how to make them. This is a CK mod, so there has to be time for a CK appropriate society to rise up, thats more than enough for technology to be reclaimable, 100xs more.
The Dark Ages brought about neglect, and collapse, the reformation brought about neglect, and collapse, pretty much ever war does too. The Fall of the Roman Empire did massively. Nothing does it, today when the world is more or less stable and fine huge amounts of technology are being neglected and lost because no one is using them, one no one alive made their living doing something its almost impossible to restore without inventing it all over again from scratch. And were talking about an APOCALYPSE, not a minor upset or a period of poverty.
Canticle is a good example, the monks preserve and keep blue prints and science textbooks, but even the brightest and most dedicated scholars cant make heads nor tails out of any of it. Just as the Classical texts were retained during the dark and early middle ages, but it wasnt until after toledo that any meaning at all came out of them and not until the reinsurance that they were any use.
Technology that makes the mod impossible doesnt return, its a one in a million chance it would. And the backstory says it doesnt because this is a CK2 Mod.
Re. titles--I like the idea of giving the Mississippian kingdom different "western" titles that set them off from the rest of the Americans. This would imply what someone suggested about making them like the Turks--invaders who eventually converted--and help explain the Texan-American schism. Perhaps the American civilization split apart into two religions during a period of time when the two branches were physically seperated by savage westerners who had captured the Mississippi valley.
As with most of your posts recently, i agree with everything you said wholehearted not just the quoted bit.
The Idea of the sundering of America rather than a fundamental disagreement would go better with getting more or less along and being brothers but still not being entirely keen on going out of their way to help. And more variety of titles is always good.
With Mexico i think itd be good it could be the Church is pretty tolerance of their authority over it in mexico and wherever it expands north but would stamp down hard on it if it came south into 'civilisation'. A blind eye turned for the sake of greater good, the war, etc. theyre ruling over 'barbarians' so 'what they do in mexico is their own business, as long as they dont try and do it here.' that way you can still have the the trouble events from having a schismatic in your court, but have them in the Unity of the Church more or less. Mind you in game thats basically the same as tolerant anyway just without the wording of the explanation differently so no worries.
