Possible list of Europe area nations.

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http://rain.prohosting.com/fate123/europe.html
Here's a link for a scaled down version of the map I used...



This is a VERY detailed list of European, Middle Eastern, and North African nations from 1419. I doubt most of them are going to be represented, but this gives you an idea of what Europe was like. I know i'm missing tons of HRE kingdoms, but they're too damn diffcult to find .


North Africa:

Marinids
Hafsids
Mamluks
Cyrenaica

Middle East:

Timurids
Iraq
Jalayarids
Gilan
Sirvan
Georgia
Kurds
Kara Koyunlu
Mazanderan
Ak Koyunlu
Trebizond
Candar
Karaman
Germiyan
Cyprus
Hamit
Tekke
Zaydi Imamate
Rasulids
Oman

Europe:
Golden Horde Mongols ( Crimera, Ryasan, lots of Russian Principalities )
Muscovy
Republic of Novgorod
Teutonic Order ( Courland, Livonia, Estonia, Eastern Prussia, Neumark )
Kalmar Union? ( Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Iceland )
Poland-Lithuania ( Moldavia, Poland, Lithuania )
Luxembourgs ( Luxembourg, Hungary, Croatia, Outer Bohemia, Transylvania, Silesia, Lusatia )
Hussites ( Inner Bohemia )
Bosnia
Serbia
Albania
Epirus
Navarrese Company ( Western Sparta )
Mistra, Byzantines ( South East Sparta )
Constantinople, Byzantines
Venice ( Corfu, Dalmatia, Cyclades, FAR South Eastern tip of Sparta, Treviso, Istria )
Aragorn ( Balearic Islands, Sardinia, Sicily )
Kingdom of Naples ( Malta, all of southern Italy up to the Rome area )
Papal State ( Latium, Venaissin )
Genoese
Swiss League
Burgundians ( Franche Comte, Burugndy, Flanders )
Wittelsbachs ( Bavaria, Holland, Hainault )
Rhine Palatinate
Brtiany
England ( Calais, English Pale, Wales, England, Normandy, Aquitaine )
Ottomans ( Wallachia, Thessaly, Macedonia, Thrace, Saruhan, Aydin, Mentese )
Knights Hospitaller ( Rhodes and a few other islands )
Ragusa
Navarre
Castile
Portugal
Granada
Friesland
Hohenzollerns ( Brandenburg, Ansbach, Hohenzollerns )
Upper Palatinate
France ( Dauphine, France, parts of Aquitaine )
Promerania
Bremen
Hamburg
Lubeck
Liege
Bersica
Scotland
Brabant
Salzburg
Ireland ( Ulster, Munster, Leinster, Connaught )
Habsburgs ( Austria, Styria, Carniola, Carinthia, Tyrol, Burgau, Vorarlberg, Sundgau, Breisgau, and tons of other small kingdoms )
Provence
Savoy

There were tons of Italian states, and I doubt most will be represented:

Piombino
Urbino
Siena
Florence
Milanese
Estense
Lucca
Bologna
Montferrat
Asti

 

[Lord Prime]

I think its just Lucca and Mantua which will be in EU2 of the Italian nations.

 

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Yeah, most of those countries I listed would probably be like 5 pixels on your screen

But the most interesting thing about 1419 is how large Luxembourg was.

 

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Umm I have to contest....

Your totaly wrong in your thought that Brabant was its own Country It was a vassal of hannover till 1536 where it gained its independence in what we modern folk call a Local COUP DE TA. I hope you dont take offesne when I say you should stay away from the forums unless you can back your info

 

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ROFL!

 

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Re: Umm I have to contest....

Originally posted by TheRomanGeneral
Your totaly wrong in your thought that Brabant was its own Country It was a vassal of hannover till 1536 where it gained its independence in what we modern folk call a Local COUP DE TA. I hope you dont take offesne when I say you should stay away from the forums unless you can back your info

No, no, no!
He certainly should not stay away from the forums. He posted what he thought was correct. It has been pointed out to him that he *may* be wrong. He will now go and check more closely. If he is correct then he will post his findings and you may learn something. If he is incorrect then he will learn something.
People do not have the time to check everything they believe is correct before posting especially as they may have no reason to believe that it is incorrect.

 

[Lord Prime]

Luxembourg shouldnt be that big i think, just a tiny state, probably the province as it is in EU I.

 

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Well, I guess you could compare the Luxembourgs to the Habsburgs...

 

[BiB]

Re: Re: Umm I have to contest....

Originally posted by Uglyduck


No, no, no!
He certainly should not stay away from the forums. He posted what he thought was correct. It has been pointed out to him that he *may* be wrong. He will now go and check more closely. If he is correct then he will post his findings and you may learn something. If he is incorrect then he will learn something.
People do not have the time to check everything they believe is correct before posting especially as they may have no reason to believe that it is incorrect.

The thing is though that what our Roman friend posted is so wrong it must have been a joke

 

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Re: Umm I have to contest....

Originally posted by TheRomanGeneral
Your totaly wrong in your thought that Brabant was its own Country It was a vassal of hannover till 1536 where it gained its independence in what we modern folk call a Local COUP DE TA. I hope you dont take offesne when I say you should stay away from the forums unless you can back your info

If it's a vassal of somebody, then it is its own country.

 

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I have to agree with Heyessey here, if its a vassal then it is an independant nation but is paying some sort of tribute to Hannover in this case, the Coup de Tat probably just destroyed the vassalage links.

 

[BiB]

Hello ? Nothing our Roman friend said is true Stop theorizing about it

 

[Lord Prime]

Originally posted by Fate
Well, I guess you could compare the Luxembourgs to the Habsburgs...

How do you mean, compare Luxembourg to Habsburg? At this time Habsburg was already a rather large domain, at least Habsburg owned land that is.

 

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I think everybody who can't write Coup d'État correctly should stay away from this forum. j/k

 

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Originally posted by Red Angel
I think everybody who can't write Coup d'État correctly should stay away from this forum. j/k

Maybe he actually meant that it was a stroke of garbage.

 

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Originally posted by BiB
Hello ? Nothing our Roman friend said is true Stop theorizing about it

So much for BiB's opinion. Anyone who actually knows how to conduct a discussion care to shed some light on things?

 

[BiB]

If u like to theorize about isues comparable to "The Roman vassal cities in 1817 in Northern Antarctica", be my guest.

 

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actually back before EU begins the Luxembourgs were comparible to the Habsburgs (who came later on) the Luxembourgs owned Outer Bohemia, Luxemburg and some enclaves throughout Germany and the Low Lands

 

[Vulture]

Well I won't say everything but Luxembourgh sure is NO vassal of Hannover in the beta

 

[Spruce]

I'll guess I was sleeping during this Brabant discussion. I'll shed some light on this matter.

3 Cheers for Fate, he's rigth on the Brabant matter. Look at this page for some history background on the 1419 situation:

http://www.aegee.tue.nl/brabant/history.html

As a former student of Leuven, I'm doing everything in my power that Brabant is included in EU II. Duke Jan IV of Brabant founded the nice university of Leuven during his reign, so once again 3 Cheers for Fate.

Afterwards (1430) the Duchy of Brabant went to Burgundy due to lack of heirs. But in 1419, you'll still have some time creating heirs.



I really don't know what Hannover has to do with Brabant in 1419.