Possibility of a Cold War mod?

[Sgt.Exodus]

Hello fellow gamers. After reading a lot of DDs and reflecting about HOI IVs new mechanics, i started to play around with the idea of a Cold War mod. Compared to HOI3 where warfare mechanics were more in-depth and the other parts of the game were less developed, HOI IV would be more suitable for a cold war atmosphere with more in-depth diplomacy, production, espionage and so on.

What do you guys think? Would it be possible? Are any of you guys interested?
I would certainly be interested in pitching in a bit if it could be done. I previously worked on PlayerHOIs Modern Warfare mod and dealt with Order Of Battles, Tech and history.

 

[Animum24]

espionage

I don't think there is going to be an espionage mechanic at launch.
But still I think HOI 4 would be better suited for a cold war scenario/mod than HOI 3.

Still it would need a lot of work since the cold war wasn't actually a constant war, more like high worldtension with some times war over smaller countries of the third world.
You would need to implement lots of different mechanics to make the peacetime period interesting (like an espionage mechanic, which would be hard).

 

[Sgt.Exodus]

I don't think there is going to be an espionage mechanic at launch.
But still I think HOI 4 would be better suited for a cold war scenario/mod than HOI 3.

Still it would need a lot of work since the cold war wasn't actually a constant war, more like high worldtension with some times war over smaller countries of the third world.
You would need to implement lots of different mechanics to make the peacetime period interesting (like an espionage mechanic, which would be hard).

Yeah maybe after some PI official expansions for more espionage mechanics. World tension is one feature that would suite a cold war mod i think.

 

[Animum24]

yes I agree with you

The National Focus tree should also be very cool to mod.

Additionally I think a starting date shortly after the war would be amazing. With the allies and soviets still in good relations the world tension would slowly rises as the soviets and western powers form the BRD and DDR, the chinese civil war goes sour for the nationalists and tensions arise over North and south Korea.

Still it would require massive amounts of changes and the addition of mechanics which aren't in the core game (yet)

 

[Anichent]

I don't think much is required to make this game work in the cold war. Many of the mechanics are there already. Proxy wars, coups, etc. A lot of what would need to be simulated however is still not really done in this game like "fear" of war or the detailed espionage.

The major elements that would be problematic are:
MAD,
giving nukes to your allies,
the current world tension system would not work well, and
(as an exception to MAD) the idea that nuclear war could get very very very close to happening unless someone backs down or there is negotiation ie. Cuban Missile Crisis.

 

[Sgt.Exodus]

Yeah it would most likely be a future posibility/project if PI adds more mechanics to the game like they have done with EUIV. I just wonder if the engine would handle the long timeline with all of the information.

 

[Loke]

Why a COLD war mod? A cold war means no real war, maybe a support to a "civil war" in som obscure place on a not so "important" place on the globe.

Nah, I rather have Paradox put the effort into further developing HoI IV and WWII.

 

[Giovanni1234]

I think hoi 4 could be a good start for a cold war mod because you can send alot of things and not just the IC like hoi 3 to the small countries BUT in my opinion cold war isn't funny, cold war is a war without fights and if the war starts would be the end for everyone for the nukes.. so i think the war between allies and urss after a possible defeat of the axis would be enough in the vanilla game..
said that surely someone will create this mod sooner or later

 

[Sgt.Exodus]

Why a COLD war mod? A cold war means no real war, maybe a support to a "civil war" in som obscure place on a not so "important" place on the globe.

Nah, I rather have Paradox put the effort into further developing HoI IV and WWII.

Because WW2 will be done for the 4th time now by PI, and because the Cold War is an interesting historical period. It would not only be "no war", it would be a more political game and when it DOES turns to war, it would be a massive and quite interesting one. That's just my own opinion and i think that many old supporters of East vs West (Sorry for bringing it up moderators) would agree. It would be tense and refreshing.

 

[Loke]

Because WW2 will be done for the 4th time now by PI, and because the Cold War is an interesting historical period. It would not only be "no war", it would be a more political game and when it DOES turns to war, it would be a massive and quite interesting one. That's just my own opinion and i think that many old supporters of East vs West (Sorry for bringing it up moderators) would agree. It would be tense and refreshing.

Go support a political-no-real-war-just-a-cold-war-game then and leave HoI IV and the real war for us who like to outmanouver our opponents on tha field ...

 

[Sgt.Exodus]

Go support a political-no-real-war-just-a-cold-war-game then and leave HoI IV and the real war for us who like to outmanouver our opponents on tha field ...

And there we have the problem, there aren't any other platforms that could provide a suitable platform. I think that the joint experience and effort of HOI dev teams and Vicky + EU dev teams would lead to an excellent game. Maybe a future own title? Ping @ParadoxInteractive

 

[bengast]

A cold war mod in HoI IV has much better chance of being made well and actually work . It would definitely be an interesting mod to have available to play, just for the extra scenarios (and the infinite possible scenarios? maybe the axis are victorious and defeat the UK and negotiate a treaty with the USSR and the USA just to sum a possibility up.)

 

[aruon]

i'd love to see a cold war mod for HOI 4. yeah there's limitations and all that crap but many things can be represented by events. and you gotta remember, the cold war was about keeping the nuclear armed superpowers from annihilating everything. everyone else has a bit more leeway.

and for the WWIII seekers there's many ways to start Armageddon, potentially even as early as the Korean war.
IRL the US could've very quickly (and disastrously) escalated things by directly challenging the soviet union on why russians were piloting MiG-15s (while claiming neutrality) OR by using nukes against the north koreans and chinese- which was a hotly debated strategy inside NATO High Command at the time and could've happened if the war dragged on any longer.

at any rate, while a CW scenario would have it's flaws and limitations by what we know now, you have to admit- it's still WAY ahead of anything HOI 3 could do.

 

[Zaku]

I don't think HOI4 could simulate the Cold War effectively. The hoi series puts it's emphasis on conventional warfare, while a cold war game should be more about politics, espionage, and proxy wars.

I wouldn't mind a Cold War game eventually, but HOI should focus on WW2.

 

[Evan05]

I don't think HOI4 could simulate the Cold War effectively. The hoi series puts it's emphasis on conventional warfare, while a cold war game should be more about politics, espionage, and proxy wars.

I wouldn't mind a Cold War game eventually, but HOI should focus on WW2.

No one is suggesting Paradox develops HOI4 further into the Cold War. The suggestion is a mod made by a community, which will almost be made certainly.

 

[Alpha2518]

I don't think HOI4 could simulate the Cold War effectively. The hoi series puts it's emphasis on conventional warfare, while a cold war game should be more about politics, espionage, and proxy wars.

I wouldn't mind a Cold War game eventually, but HOI should focus on WW2.

Use the volunteer forces or the sending of volunteer forces to model proxy wars through various civil wars.

 

[Zaku]

No one is suggesting Paradox develops HOI4 further into the Cold War. The suggestion is a mod made by a community, which will almost be made certainly.

It will probably will be made, but my point about hoi unable to simulate cold war effectively is still true.

Use the volunteer forces or the sending of volunteer forces to model proxy wars through various civil wars.

You could, but sending volunteers was only a small part of proxy wars.

An other point why HOI can't do the cold war justice: MAD. There could be no major war between the superpowers(which is the focus of hoi). If it ever happens it would be game over.

 

[Caesar15]

Well Podcat said Hoi4 isn't really suited for Cold War, however, he did say it could go up to Korea..

 

[Victor Cortez]

I don't think HOI4 will work for a coldwar mod.
Espionage and diplomacy are big (the biggest probably) factors of a coldwar scenario and they're rather simple in HOI4.

A coldwar game would be a game that forces you on walking on a thin line where you want to influence the world, threaten a war but not actually start it (and if you do start it, it's game over immediately).

On the contrary, HOI4 is essentially saying: forget about all the talk and prepare for a real war.

 

[Instinct]

I want to do one.

HOI3 limitations, limited it. But it was for personal enjoyment. Borders, Ideologies, Crazy leaders ect ect.

I mean if you want to see Nuclear War, play DEFCON. Probably the most depressing game ever.

But with HOI, i guess the aim is to not to get into a war with the East or West because Nukes will instantly fly (if you allow the AI to build nukes in such a mod)