He thinks the carribean colony shouldn't be in mission tree because of how short term it was irl
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Portugal never prioritizes colonizing Brazil
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Ah I see. Well still my point remains. It did happen.
Realm of God didnt happen and it's in the game as a counterpoint.
Where do you draw the line then?
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Austria's East India company and Prussia's African colonies did exist and were short lived, but are further down the mission tree, so the AI doesn't prioritise them
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Why would it? The key to American trade is the Caribbean. Portugal should perhaps get missions with better rewards for colonizing Brazil, like a higher settler increase/chance only in that colonial region.
In most of my games I see Portugal early colonizing Brazil. I just played a game where Portugal immediately colonized the northern coast of Brazil.
Portugal does tend to go for early Cuba/Dominica (along with Brazil) colonization, but they should because it is the best land. I'm against making the AI more stupid in order to make the game easier for the player.
The problem seems to be inflexibility of Castilian missions, if the tree depends on something that often doesn't happen. I personally don't mind it too much because when I play Castille I vassalize Portugal early, but I could see the game being improved by missions being adjusted.
Portugal does tend to go for early Cuba/Dominica (along with Brazil) colonization, but they should because it is the best land. I'm against making the AI more stupid in order to make the game easier for the player.
The problem seems to be inflexibility of Castilian missions, if the tree depends on something that often doesn't happen. I personally don't mind it too much because when I play Castille I vassalize Portugal early, but I could see the game being improved by missions being adjusted.
Then Portugal should be focusing a lot more on India and Spice islands.
Because Portugal by the terms of the Treaty of Tordesillas was able to focus on trade from Asia with Brazil as the notable exception?
Can you provide screenshots showing Portugal going to Brazil first?
Also, no one is talking about making the game "easier." The issue is that the AI's behavior is grossly ahistorical. Obviously, this is a game about alternate history, but Portugal literally never does the historical thing.
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Brazil got an amended ToT to legitimise it
PU not vassalise Portugal, you'll be far better off.
Portugal should go Brazil because Brazil feeds to ivory Coast where Portugal should be nabbing early colonies. Delaying colonisation of carribean means others are free to do so which helps make game more dynamic and not so easily solved
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In my most recent game Portuguese Brazil was founded around 1505 and has about 20 provinces. Caribas was founded around 1525 and has only 6 provinces. Actually a smarter strategy of AI Portugal would've been to grab Caribas first.
If you want to talk about history, Portugal was bullied out of the Caribbean as well as most the New World by threats from Castile which had arrived much earlier. If Castile hasn't claimed the Caribbean by the time Portugal arrives, of course Portugal should colonize this rich land.
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Lmao, Portugal wasnt bullied as Portugal had a stronger navy than Castille.
After learning of the Castilian-sponsored voyage, the Portuguese King sent a threatening letter to the Catholic Monarchs, King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella, stating that by the Treaty of Alcáçovas signed in 1479 and by the 1481 papal bull Æterni regis that granted all lands south of the Canary Islands to Portugal, all of the lands discovered by Columbus belonged, in fact, to Portugal. The Portuguese king also stated that he was already making arrangements for a fleet (an armada led by Francisco de Almeida) to depart shortly and take possession of the new lands.After reading the letter the Catholic Monarchs knew they did not have any military power in the Atlantic to match the Portuguese, so they pursued a diplomatic way out, hence the Treaty of Tordesillas.
My assumption is that the Portuguese already knew of a landmass blocking the way west to asia, and just wanted to secure the way around Africa to India since Bartolomeu Dias had passed cape of good hope in 1488, 4 years before columbus travels.
Also Pero Covilha, a portuguese spy reached india by land in 1489, thus also being instrumental along with Bartolomeu Dias to the sucess of Vasco da Gama trip in 1497.
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After learning of the Castilian-sponsored voyage, the Portuguese King sent a threatening letter to the Catholic Monarchs, King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella, stating that by the Treaty of Alcáçovas signed in 1479 and by the 1481 papal bull Æterni regis that granted all lands south of the Canary Islands to Portugal, all of the lands discovered by Columbus belonged, in fact, to Portugal. The Portuguese king also stated that he was already making arrangements for a fleet (an armada led by Francisco de Almeida) to depart shortly and take possession of the new lands.After reading the letter the Catholic Monarchs knew they did not have any military power in the Atlantic to match the Portuguese, so they pursued a diplomatic way out, hence the Treaty of Tordesillas.
My assumption is that the Portuguese already knew of a landmass blocking the way west to asia, and just wanted to secure the way around Africa to India since Bartolomeu Dias had passed cape of good hope in 1488, 4 years before columbus travels.
Also Pero Covilha, a portuguese spy reached india by land in 1489, thus also being instrumental along with Bartolomeu Dias to the sucess of Vasco da Gama trip in 1497.
Pêro da Covilhã - Wikipedia
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Castilian or English Brazil is 99.9% of my games, Portugal normally goes for Argentina in my games once its got caribas. They could rejig colonial range so Portugal always goes Africa first, and especially Cape Verde. If Portugal was hard coded to not go for canary Islands, or there was an animist tag there that castile could annex via event then we'd get more historical outcomes, as at present Portugal colonising canary Island means by the time its finished colonising it, its got tech to go straight to carribean
Portugal wasn't bullied out the new world sans Brazil, it just wanted to go for the spice trade not make settler colonies or gold, so ToT was a win win
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I'm curious... did Portugal lose any of its islands to Morocco to get this result (i.e., colonial range reduced)? Sometimes if it gets rolled by the North Africans it can dramatically alter its colonization pattern.
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