Portugal in EU3

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Was there any particular reason to switch fonts?

As for the alliance, that's one of those things that become very hard to model properly in these games, as it requires a certain amount of strategic thinking by the AI. Portugal and England would lean to supporting each other (or Portugal leant to bandying with England) against the more continental Spaniards and French. The games usually have them try to befriend each other, which works to an extent, but breaks down sometimes, especially those moments in history when things seemed to go along the lines of "we don't really like each other all that much, but we dislike those other guys more".

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And as "FranguImperador" () says, let's try to keep the footy spam to a minimum.

Game mechanics, a discussion of, is more important than fonts. That was only my third post.

The ai could perform a check to see if the support for each other guaranteed by the alliance holds. Most of the time it will. If it does not, either one or both will suffer penalties (and yes we all know who is worse at penalties).

 

[kolmy]

as armas, as armas,
sobre a terra, sobre o mar,
as armas, as armas,
pela patria lutar,
contra os bretões marchar marchar

:rofl: :rofl:

that was the original text of portuguese anthem, am I right?

I think Ricardo and the lads took this text seriusly during last 6 years.

as armas, as armas,
sobre a terra, sobre o mar,
as armas, as armas,
pela patria lutar,
contra os canhões marchar marchar

 

[SirDaniel]

kolmy the first text was in the time of the English Ultimate to Portugal. And it was with the "bretões". What was really usefull in the game agains England at 1/4 final!

 

[Swuul]

Shouldn't this thread go to OT land?

 

[KaiserChicken]

This has surely degenerated into a spamfest, but the thread contains a lot of useful information until page 5.

 

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I totaly agree, we are too much with portuguese patriotism (even if I'm not from Portugal) , back to subject. Remember that post when we talked about leaders of Portugal in eu2, that's something to be fixed in EU3. For instance, Camoens was important writer not conquistador.
I'll add Ricardo as monarch later, when Portugal wins World Cup. :rofl:

 

[Jolt]

Yeah, that leader was really dumb in EU2. Camões did participate in battle, but just as a mere soldier. Not as a Commanding Officer and much less a leader of reknown.

 

[th3freakie]

as armas, as armas,
sobre a terra, sobre o mar,
as armas, as armas,
pela patria lutar,
contra os bretões marchar marchar

:rofl: :rofl:

that was the original text of portuguese anthem, am I right?

I think Ricardo and the lads took this text seriusly during last 6 years.

Indeed - and that's how me and my family/friends always sing it before these games

And to lighten up the Spam, I wasn't joking with my proposal. Instead of random leaders called "Santerrem" or "conimbra" or something of the sort, having player's names would not only garantee some linguistic acuracy (even if risking some historical inacuracy) AND some humor to the thing. This could be exported to all other countries of course - I'm sure the games critics would give the game some more 5% just because of that detail

 

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Coimbra, as in the Duke of. A royal duke. A bastard of Afonso V was surnamed Carvalho (assuming I have the spelling correct). Most place names have some noble attached to it, especially in a place as serf-ridden as Portugal.

 

[kolmy]

Here are lots of Portuguese names, Paradox could use some of them

 

[Cavendish]

Here are lots of Portuguese names, Paradox could use some of them

Ok, now for those who understands Portuguese, check this list of Brazilian names... not tipical ones, but it makes me think... cant we take anything seriously in this country??? :rofl:

Now to the business... I think there should be some improvement to make discovery travels easier. I mean, in real History, Portugal had already discovered Brazil, estabilished trading post and forts in India and conquered Malaca by 1511. In the game, if you start in the Age of Exploration (not so far from 1453 like EUIII will start) you will be luck if you have crossed the Atalntic once and gone any further than Sri Lanka by 1511. Thats because the fleets traveling to uncharted waters spend so many time at sea and take so much atrition. So if you want to sail further, you need firt to stabilish colonies, to have ports and have some place to stop, or send gifts to African and Indian States to request military acces, and this things take years to be done and lots of money.

Maybe the Explores should be capable to really spend a big time at sea without stoping (years), or there should be a way to stop in neutral provinces (not bellonging to any country) just to take suplies and keep traveling, like the original european explorers used to do.

 

[Gwalcmai]

Here are lots of Portuguese names, Paradox could use some of them

I think the random leaders tend to use family names, not first names.

Slightly unrelated, but that wikipedia page makes the Portuguese laws about first names sound a lot more repressive than it is.

The actual rules are these, which give a lot more leeway than wikipedia claims.

(As a bonus, the page linked above links to a site that has lists of names that were refused. One such name is Lupus. Who wants to name a kid after a disease, anyway?)

Coimbra, as in the Duke of. A royal duke. A bastard of Afonso V was surnamed Carvalho (assuming I have the spelling correct). Most place names have some noble attached to it, especially in a place as serf-ridden as Portugal.

The bastard son who got the title "Duke of Coimbra" was not Afonso V's, he was João II's. He was also not Carvalho, he was named Jorge de Lancastre. 2nd Duke of Coimbra, the first one had been the Pedro, João I's legitimate son and regent during Afonso V's minority.

Curiously, the general with the best claim to be refered to by his title, the Marquês das Minas, is in the EU2 leader file as António Luís de Sousa (or rather a misspelling of that).

Actually, a problem with the EU2 random leader file is that there are many misspelled names. And those tend to stick out (you don't notice the other ones quite as much) so you get the feeling the whole list is shite.

 

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The Duke of Coimbra that I was referring to was Pedro, son of Joao I. A leader called Coimbra could cover all 400 years representing a variety of royal, illegitimate and legitimate, dukes. It would be better to have individual leaders properly defined in the leaders file.

 

[Gwalcmai]

The Duke of Coimbra that I was referring to was Pedro, son of Joao I. A leader called Coimbra could cover all 400 years representing a variety of royal, illegitimate and legitimate, dukes. It would be better to have individual leaders properly defined in the leaders file.

Actually, the 3rd Duke of Coimbra was born in 1847. Jorge de Lancastre's son was the 1st Duke of Aveiro, and the Duchy of Coimbra disappears for a good while.

I still think it would be cooler to have leaders have a proper name instead of a (supposed) title.

 

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Actually, the 3rd Duke of Coimbra was born in 1847. Jorge de Lancastre's son was the 1st Duke of Aveiro, and the Duchy of Coimbra disappears for a good while. .

Too true - but then the first one was called a traitor by a duped king and the title would have had a tainted image. Joao II considered making Jorge, the next King. That would be an interesting event. Equally interesting would have been a Portuguese declaration of war against Spain on the death of Prince Afonso in 1491.

I still think it would be cooler to have leaders have a proper name instead of a (supposed) title.

I agree. So who should the list of Portuguese leaders - generals, explorers and conquistadors - actually include? Should EU3 only allow armies to be commanded by actual leaders?

 

[th3freakie]

I agree. So who should the list of Portuguese leaders - generals, explorers and conquistadors - actually include? Should EU3 only allow armies to be commanded by actual leaders?

The EU3 leader system's gona be rather diferent from EU2's, with the introduction of the "military tradition" thingie, so we have no idea how "real" leaders will be displayed really. That's why I was only talking of the random ones.

 

[Jolt]

From that list, feminine names should be streamlined, unless we want to have many female leaders leading armies.

 

[Gwalcmai]

I agree. So who should the list of Portuguese leaders - generals, explorers and conquistadors - actually include? Should EU3 only allow armies to be commanded by actual leaders?

By proper names I meant "country cousins" of the historical ones. Something akin to how names are picked out in CK, but with both the first and last names being picked from lists. Wouldn't it be nicer to have "Duarte Correia" or "Pêro de Sousa" leading an army, instead of some non-descript "Santarem" or "Mascarhenas"?

It would also be nice if Luís de Camões and S. Francisco Xavier didn't show up on the leader list...

 

[KaiserChicken]

Yup. I fully agree with Gwalcmai. The "country cousin" system from CK could see an excellent implementation in EU3.

 

[Cavendish]

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