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Tordesillas doesn't mean anything in EU4. I don't know if the AI is programmed to prefer historical areas to colonise, but if it is, it's a weak preference at best. I think the AI just colonises wherever it can, starting with the richest/easiest provinces.
 

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Tordesillas doesn't mean anything in EU4. I don't know if the AI is programmed to prefer historical areas to colonise, but if it is, it's a weak preference at best. I think the AI just colonises wherever it can, starting with the richest/easiest provinces.
Plus the papal authorities aren't all that dictating either. It was more of a formalization of what already existed.
Personally I wouldn't want some Pope to put a limitation on what I can colonize/conquer.
 

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While the question about Tordesillas is pretty pointless, it is a bit weird that Portugal places (and has always placed) a low-ish priority on South America, especially considering in-game the place has the 2nd highest basetax out of the Caribbean. In my England -> Britain game they colonized the Caribbean, bits of Brazil and then Newfoundland instead of, you know, the rest of South America. Castille also preferred the 1-basetax provinces in Florida over almost everything else in North America, not to mention that it didn't do any colonizing in South America.

I'm also not sure why Colombia and Venezuela are now classified as 'tropical' regions, since that means the AI won't colonize them until way late in the game, and turns its focus towards North America instead.
 

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There are no preferences, the AI just colonizes wherever.

Which I hate ... Spanish Canada just hurts my eyes everytime I see it, it also severely hampers late colonizers when Spain starts North, although the changes to national ideas may help.

I'd like Portugal/Castille weighted towards South America and England, France and whoever else may have gone there, to North America.
 

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Iberian and colonisation speeds in general need a serve hit with the nerf bat, colonial range needs a rehaul as well. I was hoping Art of War would help to combat the issues with colonising but it hasn't made a single difference. Any province that can be colonised will be by the end of 1821.
 

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Spain did colonize north America. Why not?

Did Spain colonize Canada when vast tracts of South America, the Carribbean and even southern North America are available? Because that's exactly how things have happened in a few of my games recently, maybe some people find that fun, but I don't :(
 

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This is an alternate history game, folks. Any goes literally the moment you unpause. Why does it matter? Because they didn't colonize Canada in real life? That is a weak rebuttal.
 

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This is an alternate history game, folks. Any goes literally the moment you unpause. Why does it matter? Because they didn't colonize Canada in real life? That is a weak rebuttal.
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when i can predict, with near perfect accuracy, spanish canada (and siberia) that cripples everybody elses colonization, i think imma complain.

the "alt history nothing should look at all like real life ever" arguement is worse than the "history happended this way so it always should!" one
 

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This is an alternate history game, folks. Any goes literally the moment you unpause. Why does it matter? Because they didn't colonize Canada in real life? That is a weak rebuttal.
How the Europa series has fallen. I'm getting really sick of seeing this argument every time an issue of historicity comes up. It makes no sense for Spain or Portugal to prioritize Canada over the much closer and much more lucrative South America, plus it hampers Britain's ability to get into the colonial game if the closer northern areas are taken by the time they get around to colonizing.
 

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Spain did colonize north America. Why not?

Strict gameplay reason. It's idiotic. Siberia was even worse.

1. You can colonize a 5+ base tax temperate province with a direct trade path to your home node...

OR...

2. You can colonize a 1 tax arctic province that will be contended in trade or in Siberia's case, useless from a trade standpoint.

In every patch I've played, the AI frequently chooses #2. Even setting history aside, that's very suboptimal AI behavior.
 

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when i can predict, with near perfect accuracy, spanish canada (and siberia) that cripples everybody elses colonization, i think imma complain.

the "alt history nothing should look at all like real life ever" arguement is worse than the "history happended this way so it always should!" one

How the Europa series has fallen. I'm getting really sick of seeing this argument every time an issue of historicity comes up. It makes no sense for Spain or Portugal to prioritize Canada over the much closer and much more lucrative South America, plus it hampers Britain's ability to get into the colonial game if the closer northern areas are taken by the time they get around to colonizing.

Strict gameplay reason. It's idiotic. Siberia was even worse.

1. You can colonize a 5+ base tax temperate province with a direct trade path to your home node...

OR...

2. You can colonize a 1 tax arctic province that will be contended in trade or in Siberia's case, useless from a trade standpoint.

In every patch I've played, the AI frequently chooses #2. Even setting history aside, that's very suboptimal AI behavior.

Thanks for these replies, I am baffled by that 'anything can and should happen' argument aswell, and that is a great point ... it's not random if it happens everytime! Lol.

I think the HOI series got this better, although it has a much more concentrated timneline. Sure the Czechs could start WW2 early in 1938, sure Germany could get Danzig without war, sure the Nationalists could lose the Spanish Civil War, but more often than not events followed a reasonably logical path and the game is still loads of fun.

As I mentioned in other thread, I would love to see a Protestant Spain, or a Catholic England or see France lose to Burgandy, or Denmark to succesfully incorporate Sweden/Norway, sometimes, but when certain things just 'happen' it's not some interesting random gameplay feature where the game 'is like a box of chocolates... ;) ' it's just the A.I needing a few tweeks and blanaces, and a bit more weight put upon certain outcomes.

At least thats how I feel, and I am glad to see I am not the only one.
 

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Thanks for these replies, I am baffled by that 'anything can and should happen' argument aswell, and that is a great point ... it's not random if it happens everytime! Lol.

I feel like anything "can" happen, but that doesn't mean the AI should go out of its way to make suboptimal plays (Colonizing Canada instead of the Caribbean or South America). Would like to see this get looked at.
 

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It's mostly caused by the tropical modifier which makes colonisaton so much slower. In my game spain preferred colonising patagonia over colonising Brazil or Venezuela because of it as did Portugal
 

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It's mostly caused by the tropical modifier which makes colonisaton so much slower. In my game spain preferred colonising patagonia over colonising Brazil or Venezuela because of it as did Portugal

This. The game mechanics don't make it smart for Portugal to go to tropical areas as long as they have access to easily colonizable, highish BT lands more north. As long as that's the case, the AI *should* do exactly what it's doing. Perhaps there could be some sort of diplo treaty for dividing out areas that the AI would use (you get NA, I get SA, so our CNs won't bicker), but in its absence I don't want the AI railroaded to bad decisions.
 

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Spain is heading for the east coast and Portugal for mexico right now in my game.

Portugal in Mexico is fine, I'm just a little sad to see Castille up in the northeast.
 

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It's mostly caused by the tropical modifier which makes colonisaton so much slower. In my game spain preferred colonising patagonia over colonising Brazil or Venezuela because of it as did Portugal

Yep. The devs need to rethink the climate modifiers on colonisation - there's no way that Patagonia or Labrador should be considered more hospitable than Brazil.
 
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