Portugal Discovered all the new world! Others just came along...

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Portuguese sailer Pedro Alvares Cabral discovered Brazil.
Portuguese sailer Cristovão Colombo discovered North America.
Portuguese sailer discovered the see way to India.
Portuguese sailer Alvaro Magalhães proved the earth was round by sailling around the globe.

if so... will Portugal be a Major Nation in EU3?

will it's A.I. be more agressive in all aspects? (it should)

Will it have the appropriate income?(cause Portugal was the richest country in the world by that time till around 1755)

 

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Will it have the appropriate income?(cause Portugal was the richest country in the world by that time till around 1755)

My understanding is that during the mid 17th century, the Netherlands became the richest nation in Europe, who were replaced (after a relatively short time) by England, who more or less kept up that position through her transition into Great Britain and so on, until comparatively recently when the United States eclipsed us.

 

[Registered]

Portuguese sailer Pedro Alvares Cabral discovered Brazil.
Portuguese sailer Cristovão Colombo discovered North America.
Portuguese sailer discovered the see way to India.
Portuguese sailer Alvaro Magalhães proved the earth was round by sailling around the globe.

Extremely debatable order of events that, got any proof?
EDIT: By the by, people were aware that the earth was round centuries before Maghellan set off on his ill fated journey. Please don't sprad the myth that everyone before that believed the earth was flat.
Oh and a nice tidbit of information. The first man to circumnavigate the globe actually maghellan's interpreter. The man had been captured and enslaved in the Phillipies 9i think it was) had, through various traders, maed his way into Maghellans hands and when his fleet arrived in the Phillipes became the first human to sail around the globe.

if so... will Portugal be a Major Nation in EU3?

will it's A.I. be more agressive in all aspects? (it should)

It should certainly become a major nation early in the game yes. With any luck it will be able to colonise to it's historical limits. It should not be agressive in Europe though. Attempting to take on Spain would seriously hamper it's colonial efforts.

Will it have the appropriate income?(cause Portugal was the richest country in the world by that time till around 1755)

Sorry but no. What's your source for that statement?

 

[George LeS]

At some point in the early XVIII C, didn't China take the title for "richest"?

But I certainly hope Portugal isn't too strong in EUIII; it'd no longer be my favorite country to play.

 

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Extremely debatable order of events that, got any proof?


It should certainly become a major nation early in the game yes. With any luck it will be able to colonise to it's historical limits. It should not be agressive in Europe though. Attempting to take on Spain would seriously hamper it's colonial efforts.


Sorry but no. What's your source for that statement?

About the order: it is not in order! I didn't ment for it to be! However I think i got it! Accidentily. o


Major Nation: Agree.


About the source: Portuguese School!

 

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About the source: Portuguese School!

Bah! Bloody Iberian propaganda

 

[Deo89]

Than the History teachers must be biased Nationalists, "Cristovão Colombo" Is this the one or who is this?

 

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About the source: Portuguese School!

Methinks your school was a bit optimistic. Your Oriental empire started to fall apart the moment other European powers arrived on the scene.

 

[Featauril]

Wasn't Christopher Columbus Genoese and not Portuguese?

 

[labalag]

Wasn't Christopher Columbus Genoese and not Portuguese?

He was...

And Magellan may be a portuguese, but he was sailing for the Spanish at the time...

 

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He was...

And Magellan may be a portuguese, but he was sailing for the Spanish at the time...

Because the Spanish had fuller coffers

 

[hildoceras]

A Mongol discovered America more than 20000 years ago. Then they conquered the known world only stopped because they wanted to be at a party. And then they were (and still are) supreme economic leaders of the mare yogurt market

Guess who will be a superpower in EU3 ?

 

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Because the Spanish had fuller coffers

Wrong!

Portugal was richer than Spain by that time!

The thing was that the Portuguese king in that time was very absolutist so he "let" Magalhães and Colombo "go".

 

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Than the History teachers must be biased Nationalists, "Cristovão Colombo" Is this the one or who is this?

That's Columbus real name if it was writen in a ID. daaaaaa!

Cristovão Colombo=Portuguese Language

Christopher Columbus=English Language

 

[Registered]

That's Columbus real name if it was writen in a ID. daaaaaa!

Cristovão Colombo=Portuguese Language

Christopher Columbus=English Language

Why would a Genoese (or possibly a Cattalan) use a Portugese version of his name? Columbus, by the way, is the latinisation of his name. Not the Anglisation.

 

[EvilSanta]

Columbus is said to have been born in Genoa, in modern Italy, according to statements attributed to Columbus himself, members of his family, and others who knew him well. However, some historians claim he could have been born in other places.

No Portugal here sorry.

 

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No Portugal here sorry.

Columbus is said to have been born in Genoa, in modern Italy, according to statements attributed to Columbus himself, members of his family, and others who knew him well. However, some historians claim he could have been born in other places. Some experts claim that Colombus was in fact Portuguese, while others forward the hypothesis that he was not only Portuguese but a "double agent" trying to keep the Spanish out of the Indian trade routes and among these theories the one of Porto Colom at Mallorca island (Spain) (there exist since the days of Columbus descendents bearing that surname). Other theories claim that he could have been Spanish (from Catalonia) or Greek from the island of Chios.

A little longer quote might have been more appropriate.

 

[kolmy]

That's Columbus real name if it was writen in a ID. daaaaaa!

Cristovão Colombo=Portuguese Language

Christopher Columbus=English Language

Real name of Salvador Fernandes Zarco was Cristovão Colón not Colombo, that is one evidence of theory that Cristovão Colón was portuguese.

You can see that here .

And here the article explaning why cristovão was portuguese (in portuguese)

And who discovered Americas was the Corte Reais in 1472.(João Vaz Corte Real to be exact, and is sons follow is example). (you can also see that theory in the site I gave you)

 

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No Portugal here sorry.

Christopher Columbus (c. 1451 – May 20, 1506) was an explorer and trader who crossed the Atlantic Ocean and reached the Americas on October 12, 1492. He was specifically in search of land with minor emphasis on gold, spices, etc. History places great significance on his discovery of America in 1492, when in fact he did not reach the mainland until his third voyage in 1498. It is also a common misconception that he is the earliest European explorer to reach the Americas,[citation needed] and whilst many believe it was actually Leif Erikson, Tim Severin has established that 6th century Irish monks, in particular St Brendan the navigator, were capable of, and from monastic records, may in fact have undertaken this voyage long before, although the lack of any supporting archeological evidence makes this claim highly dubious. Despite this, the entire period of the history of the Americas before this date is usually known as Pre-Columbian, and the anniversary of this event, Columbus Day, is celebrated in many parts of America. However, there is evidence of Pre-Columbian trans-oceanic contact and suspects that Portuguese sailors reached the continent of North America earlier than Christopher Columbus. Arguments for this are the much more precise calculations on the diameter of the Earth that Portugal held. There was an 80 year old school of navigation and mathematics with the most pre-eminent scientists working in the country. While Columbus thought it would be possible to reach India through the West, Portuguese intelligence knew already the way to be much longer and possibly that there was a continent in the middle. The travels of the mysterious captain Duarte Pacheco Pereira in the central Atlantic west of Cape Verde probably are more important than traditional history states. Columbus is commonly credited as the first European to see the Americas because of the profound impact his contact brought on history. His voyage marked the beginning of European exploration and colonization of the Americas. He was married to Felipa Perestrello e Moniz, and had a son named Diego.

Columbus is said to have been born in Genoa, in modern Italy, according to statements attributed to Columbus himself, members of his family, and others who knew him well.[citation needed] However, some historians claim he could have been born in other places. Some experts claim that Colombus was in fact Portuguese, while others forward the hypothesis that he was not only Portuguese but a "double agent" trying to keep the Spanish out of the Indian trade routes and among these theories the one of Porto Colom at Mallorca island (Spain) (there exist since the days of Columbus descendents bearing that surname!!

 

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Methinks your school was a bit optimistic. Your Oriental empire started to fall apart the moment other European powers arrived on the scene.

The Portuguese Empire was the first Global empire in history and also the earliest and longest lived of the western european colonial empires (1415-1999).

The conquest of Ceuta in 1415 and the exploration of the Atlantic Ocean in the early 15th century was a consequence of the kingdom's connection to the sea. The creation of a navigation school at Sagres by Henrique the Navigator allowed developments like the caravel and improved the quality of portuguese cartography. A century later the main objective of a sea route to India was achieved and Portugal extended its possessions to a world distribution, being Homeland to such explorers as Bartolomeu Dias, Vasco da Gama, and Magellan, although the latter worked for the Spanish crown, Portugal's oceanic rival since 1492.

Portugal's small size and population restricted the empire to a collection of small but well defended outposts along the shoreline. The height of the empire power was reached in the XVI century but the indifference of the Habsburg kings and the competition with new colonial empires like the British, French and Dutch started its long and gradual decline. After the XVIII century Portugal concentrated in the colonization of Brazil and african possessions. Brazilian gold gave a new pace to the empire but the catastrophic earthquake of 1755 that affected seriously Lisbon marked the symbolic end of Portugal influence in the international political sphere. In 1822 Brazil become independent and in 1890 the British Ultimatum ended portuguese intentions of a similar large colony in Africa.