Port or Capital in (New World) Colony's Homeland?

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What does this mean? And how do I qualify for it?

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Thanks! So cored colony is not enough, I have to get the 5 in the same region? And it would only apply to those provinces in the colony, not in the homeland in Europe?

EDIT: Maybe the tooltip should specifically mention "Colonial Nation"
 

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Colonialism will be changed soon though, right? As of now it kinda screws anyone east of France because they simply can not get the range required to get an American colony this early. Colonialism regularily reaches northern Germany in only the 1540s (and I had one case were it arrived after the Printing Press had already spawned), which is pretty ridiculous.
 
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Colonialism will be changed soon though, right? As of now it kinda screws anyone east of France because they simply can not get the range required to get an American colony this early. Colonialism regularily reaches northern Germany in only the 1540s (and I had one case were it arrived after the Printing Press had already spawned), which is pretty ridiculous.

Just develop-kick start it. Its a np no matter where you are really.
 
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You already have to do this for Renaissance though. You just can't spend like 1000 points on dev and keep up in tech and advance through your ideas.

Yeah sure, but remember, the AIs around you almost certainly wont do it. So while you spend 1000 points developing and getting institution (development on its own is a pretty good thing!), howeverever many decades it takes for AI to catch up, they will waste those 1000 points on tech penalties. Depending on geography (where on the map you are) you can develop in an area that minimizes the AI benefiting from you!
 
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So while you spend 1000 points developing and getting institution (development on its own is a pretty good thing!), howeverever many decades it takes for AI to catch up, they will waste those 1000 points on tech penalties.

I'm Brandenburg, so my biggest concern is Poland. Berlin is sadly pretty bad to develop as it is a forest (plus BB starts with terrible ruler and heir), and from me the institution will immediately start to spread to Poland. Plus Poland really really needs to die by 1500, so I can't affordto fall behind in Mil tech. If I develop berlin is always find myself 1-2 tech levels behind in all categories.
 
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I'm Brandenburg, so my biggest concern is Poland. Berlin is sadly pretty bad to develop as it is a forest (plus BB starts with terrible ruler and heir), and from me the institution will immediately start to spread to Poland. Plus Poland really really needs to die by 1500, so I can't affordto fall behind in Mil tech. If I develop berlin is always find myself 1-2 tech levels behind in all categories.

I pulled it off as Mali, i had the highest tech in the world. Ill give BRA a shot tomorrow and see if its doable.
 

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Yeah sure, but remember, the AIs around you almost certainly wont do it. So while you spend 1000 points developing and getting institution (development on its own is a pretty good thing!), howeverever many decades it takes for AI to catch up, they will waste those 1000 points on tech penalties. Depending on geography (where on the map you are) you can develop in an area that minimizes the AI benefiting from you!

Just FYI, in some cases the AI wil absolutely go crazy on development in order to get an institution. In my Kashmir game i had a Korea that developed Gyeonggi from 13 to 39 by 1542 so it could get Renaissance , and other players have seen Jaunpur and Pasai do the same.
 
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I'm Brandenburg, so my biggest concern is Poland. Berlin is sadly pretty bad to develop as it is a forest (plus BB starts with terrible ruler and heir), and from me the institution will immediately start to spread to Poland. Plus Poland really really needs to die by 1500, so I can't affordto fall behind in Mil tech. If I develop berlin is always find myself 1-2 tech levels behind in all categories.

You could always take Danzig in your initial war with T.O.: Farmlands and Coastal COT = Cheap Development. Plus, it starts off at 14 development, which is right around the ideal range (if I remember what another poster mentioned on another thread) to develop for an institution. It's probably one of the best provinces in the world to get institutions, actually (Farmlands, COT, mid-teens development in Northern Europe). Additionally, you could only invest in Tax and Production rather than Manpower, that way you can insure you at least keep on par with Poland for MIL tech while still working towards an earlier Renaissance.
 
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You need to have a colonial nation under you in the new world :)
Not to be picky, but this would be a better tooltip.

The current one seems to me like the port or (calonial nation's) capital itself is getting the bonus. At least a "Has" should be added at the beginning of the sentence (so that one does not interpret it as an implied "is").
 
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Just FYI, in some cases the AI wil absolutely go crazy on development in order to get an institution. In my Kashmir game i had a Korea that developed Gyeonggi from 13 to 39 by 1542 so it could get Renaissance , and other players have seen Jaunpur and Pasai do the same.

Or it developed that much because its next to AI Ming, who likely warned them against wars, which meant that Korea had little else to spend their points on but development.
 
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Or it developed that much because its next to AI Ming, who likely warned them against wars, which meant that Korea had little else to spend their points on but development.

Possibly true, but this would not explain Jaunpur or Pasai. I find it more likely that these nations had Free Thinker or Scholar rulers which may have AI weighting towards this sort of behavior.
 
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Just FYI, in some cases the AI wil absolutely go crazy on development in order to get an institution. In my Kashmir game i had a Korea that developed Gyeonggi from 13 to 39 by 1542 so it could get Renaissance , and other players have seen Jaunpur and Pasai do the same.

Yup i know, but they dont do it for every institution, not as efficiently as human can.