hi, i saw some new screens http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=344429. there's a screen of a province(Carthage) there was no Population info just only the population growth... that worry's me
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Hmm there are some numbers besides the small icons at the bottom which could be how many in absolute numbers of the diffrenent sort of people (citizens, freedmen and slaves) there are. If you comapre them to the barbarian province there's a huge difference.
in my opinion the pop number would give me a more historical and more enjoyable feeling to the game. the pops don't have to accurate just believableSnall said:
I like numbers and stats, don't get me wrong, just not something that will kill the game for me.
No, absolutely not, but I just like the idea of having a number that I can tie to the real world easily somehow.Snall said:
Whether there is population info available in the game or not, the one thing I hope to see is limited population growth and also regular periods of population stagnation or decline.
There should be no way to have 1,000,000 people in every single Roman province. The population of provinces should be somewhat realistic.
There should be no way to have 1,000,000 people in every single Roman province. The population of provinces should be somewhat realistic.
I agree, I can't imagine a EU:R where it isn't showing the population.Hullu Hevonen said:
I think infinite population would be nice. Certainly wouldn't harm us, would it? It'd certainly be an incentive to try and improve one's major cities. Also gives merchant/peaceful players another way to try and become rich peacefully; bigger cities + more merchants + loadza' manayy...
It would be rather rash for Paradox to attempt accurate numbers, IMO. Estimates of ancient populations are *very* speculative and vary widely.
From the Wikipedia entry on the city of Rome:
By the end of the Republic, the city of Rome had achieved a grandeur befitting the capital of an empire dominating the whole of the Mediterranean. It was, at the time, the largest city in the world (and probably the largest city ever built until the nineteenth century). Estimates of its peak population range from 450,000 to over 3.5 million people with estimates of 1 to 2 million being most popular with historians.
From the Wikipedia entry on the city of Rome:
By the end of the Republic, the city of Rome had achieved a grandeur befitting the capital of an empire dominating the whole of the Mediterranean. It was, at the time, the largest city in the world (and probably the largest city ever built until the nineteenth century). Estimates of its peak population range from 450,000 to over 3.5 million people with estimates of 1 to 2 million being most popular with historians.
cool-toxic said:Heh it was never uploaded.. I guess I got it on my PC. However I could not get the limit any higher due to something to do with Hexadecimals letters and digits....
Will see if I can find it.
EDIT: I only got it with a time modification aswell.. So I guess you can't use it.
Anyway there was a thread about it earlier
Seriously, can you please post a link to that thread/file? I would kill for a population limit of 20 million, it would solve all my problems in that area.
Snall said:
We do, but if you want to suggest that China had a huge population at this time compared to Europe, I'd have to disagree. I've never found a well-sourced study comparing the total population of the Roman and Qin/Han empire, but I did read a short article online that suggested that, during the time of Augustus, China and the Mediterranean world had similar populations.
I don't know of any reason to think that Qin or Han dynasty had larger cities than Rome. I will fully accept that there were cities of roughly the same population, but I have never heard anyone suggest that, over two thousand years ago, the Qin/Han capital cities dwarfed Rome.
Anyway, if you're hinting at having a ancient-China Paradox title, I would support that, so long as it comes out after a Peloponnesian War title. There are already games about the warring states and spring/autumn period, but I have never found a single game focusing on the Peloponnesian War, except for "Sparta," which, besides having a decent map, was about as deep as Civilization (i.e.: not at all).
i have read a bit about this subbiect and it is little disputed allsow, it is considerd that china did have little bit smaller cities but they did allsow have more cities. so when it comes to china vs. rome they are considerd about equal in population. when it comes to tech, army, foodsupply, infrastucktur etc. then there may be more diffrences...Grumblefish said:
I would think notes of military size would perhaps tell a difference in population?Grumblefish said:
Snall said:
Okay, but what was the military size? It can be very difficult to get an accurate figure, because there are times when you simply don't have a good source.
Think about Herodotus: if we listen to him, we hear that the Persians could launch a multi-million man invasion (includes support staff), so I guess their population must be higher than that of the Roman Empire hundreds of years later (I don't recall any multi-million man Roman armies). For China, there is the 3rd century battle of Chang Ping, which apparently ended with the mass execution of 400,000 soldiers if you accept the ancient source on its face. Now, because the two armies are supposed to be equally matched, that means the state of Qin and Zhao maintained a combined total of over 800,000 men for a prolonged period of time.
I like the idea of looking at the army size, but it is pretty difficult to get a good figure.
EDIT: My source for ChangPing (长平) is the Book of Lord Shang (ShangJunShu), but the battle occured after Lord Shang died, so who is the author and where is the information coming from? We can look to somebody like SiMaQian, but he isn't contemporary to the conflict, and who knows how good his source was.
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