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I would work where I paid for it.

Game prioritizes workers with better stats over unemployed pops of correlating strata. And it's ANNOYING.
Also it break economy from time to time. Lose of 4 worker pops (hello, raiders), that produce food or amenities, can lead to lose of happiness and further loss of production until you go into abyss. That's when "landlords" should step down to produce freaking food, even in if hurts their feelings, because it's better then ruining the whole empire.

Then you are in the minority. If I am paid 108,000/yr and lose that job, there is no way in hell I'm going to work at Wendy's.

It would take a long time for such an idea to even be considered. I'd rather stay unemployed.
 

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Keep in mind Stellaris is abstract. An unemployed "pop" isn't Joe refused to work. A pop is a segment of the population, and unemployment is like Ford shutting down an automotive plant that employed a few thousand workers.

These people don't just become farmers or electricians. They will likely try to find work in a similar, or adjacent, field, maybe even go back to school to diversify their skillset. But they don't all go plow fields, regardless of the opportunities that may be available.

Again, it's not "Ted", it's an abstract like "parents" or "automotive workers", and it's more "out of work", not "refusing to work".
 

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Then you are in the minority. If I am paid 108,000/yr and lose that job, there is no way in hell I'm going to work at Wendy's.

It would take a long time for such an idea to even be considered. I'd rather stay unemployed.
No you not if your former job and your house was destroyed by planetary bombardment, and there's a couple of billions of those like you. Money gets inflated, food and basic goods become too expensive. There's not enough housing for everyone. Only way to get food is tickets that you get for sprinkling water over pumpkins. Good luck.
 

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No you not if your former job and your house was destroyed by planetary bombardment, and there's a couple of billions of those like you. Money gets inflated, food and basic goods become too expensive. There's not enough housing for everyone. Only way to get food is tickets that you get by sprinkling water over pumpkins. Good luck.

Even in the case of disaster, thousands of engineers, lawyers, and politicans won't be lining up to work in the mines. Also, this is an edge case. We are disgusing the system as a whole.

What you described isn't even modeled in the game anyways, so your point is moot.
 
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I'm confused.

Even in the case of disaster, thousands of engineers, layers, and politicans won't be lining up to work in the mines.
They don't have to. If they want to eat, they have to go and grow the food. As easy as that. Unemployed pops can pay for themselves, right? That's why they can afford being unemloyed? Well, maybe they should produce energy while being unhappy due to unemployment? If they can't afford the food, they aren't better than any farm worker.
 

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They don't have to. If they want to eat, they have to go and grow the food. As easy as that.

Just because i lose my job, doesn't mean i lose my wealth. I could go unemployed for 30 years at the moment and be fine.

Unemployed pops can pay for themselves, right? That's why they can afford being unemloyed? Well, maybe they should produce energy while being unhappy due tounemployment? If they can't afford the food, they aren't better then any farm worker.

Energy represents both literal energy and economic output.

An unemployed pop produces neither.
 

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Just because i lose my job, doesn't mean i lose my wealth. I could go unemployed for 30 years at the moment and be fine.
And how you magically didn't lose your wealth if planet have 50% devastation modifier? And how's your wealth matters if you can buy neither food or goods (because there's none)? You're lucky you have a place to sleep, but it gets blackouts on regular basis because there's a lack of energy production. And you're still "not willing to work because you're specialist"? :eek: One thing you don't work because there is no working places. Another thing you don't work because you weren't given a job you want to do. You don't get subsidies for stuff like this.
 

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I would work where I paid for it.

Game prioritizes workers with better stats over unemployed pops of correlating strata. And it's ANNOYING.
Also it break economy from time to time. Lose of 4 worker pops (hello, raiders), that produce food or amenities, can lead to lose of happiness and further loss of production until you go into abyss. That's when "landlords" should step down to produce freaking food, even in if hurts their feelings, because it's better then ruining the whole empire.
It's a very realistic simulation of how nepotism and seniority slows down the economy but also is a hard counter to "dey took er jerbs!" situations where immigrants would displace natives just from market forces.

Can't you just feel the political roleplay in 2.2? It's amazing.
 

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And how you magically didn't lose your wealth if planet have 50% devastation modifier?

Since when does local physical destruction equal a loss of my wealth?

If my place of business burned down i still have money. If my entire city burned down, I'd still have money. The only thing that would result in loss is if the entire economy tanked.

Your economy is represented by what is shown on the top of your resource bar. Local planet economies are not the same. A -50 food planet doesn't mean people are starving. Just like a devestated planet doesn't mean the government collapses.

I'd either move or wait for repairs. Which pops do.

And how's your wealth matters if you can buy neither food or goods (because there's none)?

And why exactly would i not be able to get food and goods? Is your empire suddenly not producing them?

If i live in Chicago and it burns down does the US stop producing food? Does Amazon stop shipping? And I unable to move? Is my bank account suddently empty? Planets don't live in isolation.

Half my planets are in the negative with energy or food or whatever else. And yet thebpops are happy.

You are acting as if planets are not connected. Like saying San Francisco isn't connected to New York.
 
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And how you magically didn't lose your wealth if planet have 50% devastation modifier? And how's your wealth matters if you can buy neither food or goods (because there's none)? You're lucky you have a place to sleep, but it gets blackouts on regular basis because there's a lack of energy production. And you're still "not willing to work because you're specialist"? :eek: One thing you don't work because there is no working places. Another thing you don't work because you weren't given a job you want to do. You don't get subsidies for stuff like this.

You actually can get subsidies for that. I've seen it.

You also aren't taking into account labor skill, ability, wages, work environments, etc.

Take the factory I work at as an example. I have never seen anyone from middle middle class above work on the production line. A good chunk of the workers are lower and lower middle. There are always plenty of jobs open, and the company desires more skilled workers who are better team players and smarter. Yet they can't ever get them, and the few they do get quit rather quickly. Why? Because the wages are too low for the experience they have.

We can also take the whole "over qualified" thing. I know quite a few people who were straight up told they were too qualified to work in certain fields. Because they had experience and a degree, they were told they could not work that field even though it had openings.
 

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It's a very realistic simulation of how nepotism and seniority slows down the economy but also is a hard counter to "dey took er jerbs!" situations where immigrants would displace natives just from market forces.

Can't you just feel the political roleplay in 2.2? It's amazing.
I don't quite see, what happens in cases, in which sovietes and japan was after second world war. There was no wealthy men after nuclear bomb. Specialists had to help in fields along normals farmers when it was time to sow or harvest.
And why exactly would i not be able to get food and goods? Is your empire suddenly not producing them?
Why the hell would I press demotion of my specialists to farmers if I had enough food to feed them, lol
 

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Take the factory I work at as an example. I have never seen anyone from middle middle class above work on the production line. A good chunk of the workers are lower and lower middle. There are always plenty of jobs open, and the company desires more skilled workers who are better team players and smarter. Yet they can't ever get them, and the few they do get quit rather quickly. Why? Because the wages are too low for the experience they have.
Again, you're mixing things. People aren't that picky during recovery from major disaster. When there is literally no use for specialists and "rulers". As you can tell, I'm not telling about peaceful times.
 

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I don't quite see, what happens in cases, in which sovietes and japan was after second world war. There was no wealthy men after nuclear bomb. Specialists had to help in fields along normals farmers when it was time to sow or harvest.

Why the hell would I press demotion of my specialists to farmers if I had enough food to feed them, lol

Did you just say there were no wealthy Japanese after the Nukes? Are you serious?
 

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In stellaris it's a couple of years. 10 years for rulers.
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New pops I'm pretty sure are always spawned as workers, what your seeing sounds like a bug

Yeah this. Do you have subraces that share the same portrait by any chance? Because it's possible your planet is spawning a race that is stealing the jobs of existing specialists and you're not seeing it because the share a portrait.
 

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I would work where I paid for it.
Yeah, but that's because in the game you'd be treated as a worker pop, not a specialist or ruler.
Your governor won't take a retail job when his term is over.
The head of your local university won't work in a field once his job has ended.
 

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I don't quite see, what happens in cases, in which sovietes and japan was after second world war. There was no wealthy men after nuclear bomb. Specialists had to help in fields along normals farmers when it was time to sow or harvest.

Why the hell would I press demotion of my specialists to farmers if I had enough food to feed them, lol
Are your worlds some kind of devastated hell holes that keep getting nuked? WTH
 

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Man, my posts attracted a lot of attention. Didn't mean to :oops:
Are your worlds some kind of devastated hell holes that keep getting nuked? WTH
Thins like this happen sometimes. Yes, this dude controls only one planet, and was sitting on one planet almost from the start of the game.
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