If you treat synths badly they have a chance of starting a revolt midway through the game. I don't think it's a stretch to think a psionic could become a hivemind in a similar situation. Why not have a mirror event to create new hive minds?
Poorly treated Psionics should mirror the robot uprising and become a rising hivemind
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True, but that doesn't mean that regular psionics can't form a hive mind.
It just means that it would be difficult or risky, I could imagine that being a possibility if psionic reliant rebels become too desperate.
It just means that it would be difficult or risky, I could imagine that being a possibility if psionic reliant rebels become too desperate.
Things can change *cough* 2.0, 2.2 *cough*. Although, they could simply lose the psionic trait and become a hive mind. I dunno.
Psychic rebels get desperate,
Turn to a shroud entity for help,
Demon enslaves them and uses them as puppets slaved to its will,
Voila, hive mind.
I think it's a great idea OP.
Turn to a shroud entity for help,
Demon enslaves them and uses them as puppets slaved to its will,
Voila, hive mind.
I think it's a great idea OP.
More mid-game crises is something I can absolutely get behind.
Although... I can't help but feel like "rampaging hive mind" fits better as the Bio Ascension version? Accidently creating The Thing or something similar.
Psionic one feels like it already has one - The End of the Cycle - but I can get behind something new that isn't super obvious in how it will ruin your empire.
Although... I can't help but feel like "rampaging hive mind" fits better as the Bio Ascension version? Accidently creating The Thing or something similar.
Psionic one feels like it already has one - The End of the Cycle - but I can get behind something new that isn't super obvious in how it will ruin your empire.
Pretty sure this is the "zerg" backstory. And you are right, that would be a bioascention crisis.
More than a "rising hivemind", I would call for a "Xenomorph Leak". If you choose to investigate the Dangerous Tech "Morphogenetic Field Mastery", then a Xenomorph Leak could happen. Depending on how do you treat the event, some RNG, and maybe if you are following the biological ascencion path or not, you could end with multiple outcomes, like:
A - The leak is quickly contained, and you end with some pre-sentinent pops on one planet.
B - The leak spread out a little before being contained, so you end with the "Hostile Faune" planet modifier on a few planet, and some Dangerous Wildlife blockers on those planets (even some devastation).
C - The leak couldn't being contained, and at least one of your planets rebels into a Devouring Swarm Hive Mind.
A - The leak is quickly contained, and you end with some pre-sentinent pops on one planet.
B - The leak spread out a little before being contained, so you end with the "Hostile Faune" planet modifier on a few planet, and some Dangerous Wildlife blockers on those planets (even some devastation).
C - The leak couldn't being contained, and at least one of your planets rebels into a Devouring Swarm Hive Mind.
Sorry, I meant "how are you supposed to badly treat psionics in stellaris", I thought it was obvious.
The same way you can poorly treat your dog, children, peasants, or slaves. In-game by not giving a subset of your population decent living conditions or rights.
While it would be nice if mistreated Psionics rebelled, I don't see why they would become a Hive Mind? Hivification should be a separate Mid-Game Crisis, available to all Empires with many Psionic POPs, even to those where Psionics rule.
SoSE's Advent were the first thing I thought too. As to why Psionic -> Hivemind - it makes sense that for pops who are already telepathically connected forming a Hive-Mind would be easier though it makes more sense with further outside influence like Brain-Slugs or Shroud stuff, a powerful psionic who takes over other peoples minds, nanites, precursor-tech, blackhole leviathan, psionic entities, gene modding etc.
Personally I would prefer if the event that change psionics to a hivemind would be to have a chosen one mad with power that destroy the will of everyone around him to control them like puppets. And same as synths you can choose side and it can also be prevented, either by allowing the chosen one to rise into power or by killing him before it's too late. Letting him do his thing without accepting him as your god will end in an horrible shroud ritual creating the hivemind.
The main problem I see here is that 2.2 made Hiveminds significantly more Zerg- or Tyranid-like, with a lot of biotech and such.
It doesn't really make much sense anymore that a bunch of psychics would turn into one.
It doesn't really make much sense anymore that a bunch of psychics would turn into one.
True, it is quite disappointing really, because it is a very narrow representation of what a hive mind could look like.
Apart from the aforementioned Advent of Sins of a Solar Empire, there are also the Forts from the Astropolis trilogy, which operate as a hive mind through technology. Each individual is subsumed into the larger supermind.
But you'd never create the Advent in Stellaris because the devs have basically written that hive minds are insect analogues rolling in their own filth.
Apart from the aforementioned Advent of Sins of a Solar Empire, there are also the Forts from the Astropolis trilogy, which operate as a hive mind through technology. Each individual is subsumed into the larger supermind.
But you'd never create the Advent in Stellaris because the devs have basically written that hive minds are insect analogues rolling in their own filth.
I honestly don't mind- most people seemed to assume Hiveminds fell into the biotech category anyways, and it certainly gives them more distinction from non-gestalt and Machine empires. People wanted this.
This could be an interesting shroud event:
"As we enter the shroud the barriers between our minds fall away, and the minds of our psykers merge
(option A) - "Escape back into reality while we still have our minds intact"
(option B) - "WE ARE ONE".
"As we enter the shroud the barriers between our minds fall away, and the minds of our psykers merge
(option A) - "Escape back into reality while we still have our minds intact"
(option B) - "WE ARE ONE".
Well, we already have a "technological hive mind"... It's called "Driven Assimilator", and it's on the AI Empire side of the Gestalt Consciousness. Sadly, the main leader will always be a robot, but all the other leaders can be cyborg drones, and even if is not the most optimus, you can just forget about the robotic pops, and use mostly cyborgs.