poor timing - console edition stream vs bugfixes

[VerKer]

While i am perfectly aware console edition being a completely different dev team, todays console edition stream still came out somewhat between poor timing and embarassement:

• while Stellaris PC version has not seen any bugfix since dec 21st, even counting beta test branch
• while forums are going riot over how unplayable the current build is
• and over how the AI is non existent
• and over how job-micromanagement and late game stutter ruin playthroughs
• and over how so many game features can be broken
• while the only available dev info since weeks has been "we are back" (that thread even became closed quickly, lol)

sure PDX, it was the most brilliant idea to serve us a stream about the console edition build. 10/10

 

[Masoz]

While i am perfectly aware console edition being a completely different dev team...

You killed your own argument in the first sentence.

 

[VerKer]

You killed your own argument in the first sentence.

Well since i deleted all my stellaris savegames, i had to kill something at least, since no xenos were availabale any more after 464 hours /played

 

[FriendlyEntropy]

You killed your own argument in the first sentence.

The OP was about the timing of the announcement, not who's at fault. I believe he's entirely correct, this is the worst time to try and hype a new version of Stellaris. Personally I hope PDX doesn't earn one more dollar from Stellaris until we're happy to be playing it again.

 

[VerKer]

this is the worst time to try and hype a new version of Stellaris

You just have to check number counters on twitch for stellaris: While stellaris has 97.292 twitch followers, only 11 live streams are running, with a total of 80 viewers. Could cry.

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

The OP was about the timing of the announcement, not who's at fault. I believe he's entirely correct, this is the worst time to try and hype a new version of Stellaris. Personally I hope PDX doesn't earn one more dollar from Stellaris until we're happy to be playing it again.

The way some people are posting on here?
The only way they'd be happy would be if the devs came around and personally provided intimate services and gave them a million dollars.

Personally, I'm hoping they *do* keep earning money from it - because if they don't, then the games not economically viable to fix, and they'll just end up leaving it, and closing the project.

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

You just have to check number counters on twitch for stellaris: 97.292 followers, 11 streams running, 80 viewers. Could cry.

Eh...
I follow Paradox on twitch, but a console stream is of no interest at all to me.
I'm surprised they made the jump to console at all.

 

[Masoz]

The OP was about the timing of the announcement, not who's at fault. I believe he's entirely correct, this is the worst time to try and hype a new version of Stellaris. Personally I hope PDX doesn't earn one more dollar from Stellaris until we're happy to be playing it again.

Seems more like schadenfreude to me. The console version is so fundamentally different after 2.2 that it might as well be its own spinoff game.

But hey, screw them for doing their own thing, right? Let's boycott and get them fired for something a completely different development team screwed up on.

 

[fuinril]

Eh...
I follow Paradox on twitch, but a console stream is of no interest at all to me.
I'm surprised they made the jump to console at all.

That's not done mate. Far from it... And I suspect it will never be tried again

 

[FriendlyEntropy]

The way some people are posting on here?
The only way they'd be happy would be if the devs came around and personally provided intimate services and gave them a million dollars.

Personally, I'm hoping they *do* keep earning money from it - because if they don't, then the games not economically viable to fix, and they'll just end up leaving it, and closing the project.

What are people posting to give you this idea? No one has asked for anything free. No one has threatened PDX with anything other than not buying DLC on release so they can see if it works beforehand. Have some proof before you make claims pls.

 

[FriendlyEntropy]

Seems more like schadenfreude to me. The console version is so fundamentally different after 2.2 that it might as well be its own spinoff game.

But hey, screw them for doing their own thing, right? Let's boycott and get them fired for something a completely different development team screwed up on.

Seems like hyperbole to me. Who said anything about boycotts or firings? Certainly not in this thread and I haven't seen the calling for heads on this forum. Making things up and conflating issues may be how you normally win an argument, but try to use reason this time.

 

[fuinril]

What are people posting to give you this idea? No one has asked for anything free. No one has threatened PDX with anything other than not buying DLC on release so they can see if it works beforehand. Have some proof before you make claims pls.

In fact some did... And got quickly silenced.

That being said, I agree. @DreadLindwyrm do you really think you're the only paradox fan around there ? Just take a look at my registered game list (that does not contain them all). Do you really think I ask for free dev ? I just want my favourite game to WORK, I already spent 200$ in it, and even if the last 20 were wasted that's no big deal as I could have spent two times that for the many hours of enjoyment it gaves me.

Does it mean I will encourage my favourite game editor in this way ? Certainly not ! And I will use all my limited power to make them know that I can enjoy their games and not agree with their publishing policy

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

What are people posting to give you this idea? No one has asked for anything free. No one has threatened PDX with anything other than not buying DLC on release so they can see if it works beforehand. Have some proof before you make claims pls.

It's from some of the accusations that it's deliberate deceit and/or fraud on the part of the devs (specifically and in joint); some of the threats of legal action, and some of the calls for boycotts or for people to be fired over things that are likely beyond their responsibilities.

 

[VerKer]

Lets try to keep different topics elsewhere. To put a post about poor timing into the same ballpark as the things you named here does not seem right to me.

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

In fact some did... And got quickly silenced.

That being said, I agree. @DreadLindwyrm do you really think you're the only paradox fan around there ? Just take a look at my registered game list (that does not contain them all). Do you really think I ask for free dev ? I just want my favourite game to WORK, I already spent 200$ in it, and even if the last 20 were wasted that's no big deal as I could have spent two times that for the many hours of enjoyment it gaves me.

Does it mean I will encourage my favourite game editor in this way ? Certainly not ! And I will use all my limited power to make them know that I can enjoy their games and not agree with their publishing policy

All I was doing was commenting that *even if I'd known the stream was on*, with it being console based the stream would be of no interest.
If this is the case for a majority of Paradox's followers (not to mention the ones that follow them for their other games and have no interest in Stellaris anyway), then I'm not surprised numbers were low.

I'm not saying you're asking for free development stuff, or that you shouldn't want the game to work - but seriously, considering the two games are at different stages, pushing the awareness of there being a console version of the game isn't that outrageous an idea. Marketing (unfortunately) rolls on, regardless of whatever else might be happening, and promotion happens on dates that are already decided - and probably decided based on factors that are partially unrelated to the game.

 

[FlyingPhoenix]

Seems more like schadenfreude to me. The console version is so fundamentally different after 2.2 that it might as well be its own spinoff game.

But hey, screw them for doing their own thing, right? Let's boycott and get them fired for something a completely different development team screwed up on.

They are going to get the console version working on consoles, then start the process of updating it to the latest version.

 

[fuinril]

All I was doing was commenting that *even if I'd known the stream was on*, with it being console based the stream would be of no interest.
If this is the case for a majority of Paradox's followers (not to mention the ones that follow them for their other games and have no interest in Stellaris anyway), then I'm not surprised numbers were low.

I'm not saying you're asking for free development stuff, or that you shouldn't want the game to work - but seriously, considering the two games are at different stages, pushing the awareness of there being a console version of the game isn't that outrageous an idea. Marketing (unfortunately) rolls on, regardless of whatever else might be happening, and promotion happens on dates that are already decided - and probably decided based on factors that are partially unrelated to the game.

On that, I, unfortunatley, agree.

 

[fuinril]

They are going to get the console version working on consoles, then start the process of updating it to the latest version.

Will see. If memory serves my right, console version is 1.6 which could be playable on console.

I know enough about development to not make the statement of one dev on console version = one dev less to fix bugs, but I do know enough to make the statement the more resources allocated to console version = the less allocated to PC version... which is a shame as console version of stellaris is the fruit of a sick spirit and no one would ever play it

 

[Masoz]

Seems like hyperbole to me. Who said anything about boycotts or firings? Certainly not in this thread and I haven't seen the calling for heads on this forum. Making things up and conflating issues may be how you normally win an argument, but try to use reason this time.

Really, dude?

Personally I hope PDX doesn't earn one more dollar from Stellaris until we're happy to be playing it again.

 

[FriendlyEntropy]

Really, dude?

Yeah, really. You're conflating what I said to mean "Let's Boycott!".