Politics in HOI 4

[Axe99]

I agree to a certain extent. The point shouldn't be to keep ministers the same way they were in HoI 3, but add more of them, rather, to improve on that aspect of the game and make the political system more integral.

More doesn't necessarily mean more integral though. If they are (as is widely suspected) giving the political system a good do-over, it might be more sensible from a design (and bug-fixing/balancing) perspective to keep the design relatively tight and minimalist at first, then expand through DLC later as they've got more time to focus on individual systems at a time. Politics is incredibly complex, and modelling just one system well takes an insane amount of work. A simplified model of 'political capital' allowing you to do set 'political things' like giving key people positions (appointing ministers/passing laws/what-have-you) keeps the set-up simple and expandable, while providing a historically appropriate political model without requiring the need to go into institutional differences between (for example) a US democracy, Westminister democracy, German fascism, Japanese Imperial Government and so on.

 

[SpermCube]

Negative traits for ministers would be cool, f.e:
Corrupt, Morphine addict, sketchy background, disfigured, incompetent, nepotist etc.

Leaders in vic2 had 2 traits and one was often a negative trait.

 

[Jakalak]

More doesn't necessarily mean more integral though. If they are (as is widely suspected) giving the political system a good do-over, it might be more sensible from a design (and bug-fixing/balancing) perspective to keep the design relatively tight and minimalist at first, then expand through DLC later as they've got more time to focus on individual systems at a time. Politics is incredibly complex, and modelling just one system well takes an insane amount of work. A simplified model of 'political capital' allowing you to do set 'political things' like giving key people positions (appointing ministers/passing laws/what-have-you) keeps the set-up simple and expandable, while providing a historically appropriate political model without requiring the need to go into institutional differences between (for example) a US democracy, Westminister democracy, German fascism, Japanese Imperial Government and so on.

Just to start with, I feel really... uneasy about advocating putting off further expansion for DLC. Not that MY PRINCIPLED STAND will somehow actually effect paradox's decision (nor is my stand really that principled). It just seems that, to me, waiting till later is always so uncertain that betting on it isn't the best option.

I agree that more doesn't necessarily mean integral. If 'more' as a suggestion needs to be given up in order for politics to become truly important to the game, then I would be totally fine with that. I'm not sure I agree that what you're suggesting would be historically accurate. It also seems to be what they're already planning on implementing, unless I've misread some suggestion or nuance in your post.

That said, I can't predict the future and we've been given very little information re: politics. I should try to stay optimistic.

 

[Landsturmamrika]

I think leader traits make the game fun as well.

 

[Axe99]

Just to start with, I feel really... uneasy about advocating putting off further expansion for DLC. Not that MY PRINCIPLED STAND will somehow actually effect paradox's decision (nor is my stand really that principled). It just seems that, to me, waiting till later is always so uncertain that betting on it isn't the best option.

I agree that more doesn't necessarily mean integral. If 'more' as a suggestion needs to be given up in order for politics to become truly important to the game, then I would be totally fine with that. I'm not sure I agree that what you're suggesting would be historically accurate. It also seems to be what they're already planning on implementing, unless I've misread some suggestion or nuance in your post.

That said, I can't predict the future and we've been given very little information re: politics. I should try to stay optimistic.

Aye, we're both speculating . And don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting it should or will be put off towards potential DLC, but my gut feeling at the moment would be a smaller number of ministers but with more meaningful choices in the base game, so expect that any depth would be added later (particularly keeping in mind the development trajectories of CK2 and EU4). Either way, we both deffo hope it's a good system .

 

[shri]

Negative traits for ministers would be cool, f.e:
Corrupt, Morphine addict, sketchy background, disfigured, incompetent, nepotist etc.

Leaders in vic2 had 2 traits and one was often a negative trait.

That would be an excellent addition
Goering could be - Barking Buffoon and Corrupt -- Meaning small increase in loyalty and decrease in supply production or decrease in combat of Luftwaffe by 5%

Hitler can be - Megalomaniac and Nietzhche - Extreme high loyalty coupled with decrease of dissent each turn in power due to dialogue delivery also some bonus to finding enemy spies (say 10%)

Stalin can be - Megalomaniac and Paranoid - Insane loyalty from ministers and populace, enemy spies easy to find (bonus of 25% maybe), but also state being inefficient, say -10% IC in peacetime but 10% more morale to troops on defensive (terror of Stalin)

Churchill- Barking Buffoon and Ret. Admiral - Small increase in Loyalty + Small bonus in defense + Small boost to Royal Navy and RAF but small Malus to Royal Army.
(i know he was not an admiral but he was first lord of admiralty)

many more if DEVs agree, also Nazi Party Internal Politics if ever such a game is made- Count me in as number 1 fan, closely followed by game known as -
Disappearance and Appearance in the Kremlin - internal politics of Stalinist Court.