political bafflement

[TheLand]

That's right, a 0% attraction to the Shogunate results in 33% of the Pop supporting the Shogunate, while a 71% attraction results in just less than 50% supporting the Industrialists.

Any ideas? The Shogunate are not in government and I am pretty sure didn't form part of the party that won the last election.

 

[zilla737]

Maths are hard even for computers? Or there's a hidden bonus to Shogunate? Ever notice how fast suppressed Shogunate clout comes back from revolution? Or just a bug. Could post it there.

 

[MatthewP]

I think pops move between interest groups based on attraction over time, not instantly. And if they carry their affiliations with them when they switch worker types (which they probably do), that would explain it. Probably many of your capitalists are former aristocrats.

 

[zilla737]

I think pops move between interest groups based on attraction over time, not instantly. And if they carry their affiliations with them when they switch worker types (which they probably do), that would explain it. Probably many of your capitalists are former aristocrats.

Since capitalists are not coded to be a possible pop type in the landowners, that would explain the 0% attraction. And the transition from a landowner pop type to capitalist could have a delay, but why they would is a mystery, unless the pop type/IG membership calculations are separate transactions by the computer. Seems to be a bug.

 

[MatthewP]

Since capitalists are not coded to be a possible pop type in the landowners, that would explain the 0% attraction. And the transition from a landowner pop type to capitalist could have a delay, but why they would is a mystery, unless the pop type/IG membership calculations are separate transactions by the computer. Seems to be a bug.

Maybe it’s a bug, but it seems like a perfectly reasonable design choice. If you are a landowner and decide to open up a factory, you don’t necessarily immediately abandon your political affiliation.

 

[Question]

This reminds me of how buggy Stellaris pop attraction is. It can tell you that 50% of your pops support a certain party but they will NEVER get close to that 50% amount. I had to mod it to fix it...

 

[BPZ1941]

I think pops move between interest groups based on attraction over time, not instantly.

From defines.txt;

MAX_POP_FRACTION_LEAVE_IG = 0.05 # Maximum amount of a pop that can change IGs in a single update (for each IG)

Since capitalists are not coded to be a possible pop type in the landowners, that would explain the 0% attraction. And the transition from a landowner pop type to capitalist could have a delay, but why they would is a mystery, unless the pop type/IG membership calculations are separate transactions by the computer. Seems to be a bug.

Resetting attraction (hence removing Landowners support in this case) is easier to do from a coding standpoint than having pops keep IGs between pop types. This game behavior requires specific input, sending the IG information from pop #1 to #2, so it's very unlikely to be a bug. Since that information isn't really being sent by other POPs for other reasons, it shouldn't uninentionally spill over like that.