We citizens of Krakow and Malopolska declare our nationality as Wislanie (or Vistulian - old slavic tribe)
GIVE RIGHTS OUR MINORITY NOW! YOU POLISH OPRESSORS!!!
GIVE RIGHTS OUR MINORITY NOW! YOU POLISH OPRESSORS!!!
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sie nie smiej, to wymysl twoich ukochanych komuch- oj przepraszam, socjal demokratow.
To co panowie? Za karabiny i do boju?
To Pommerania Prince - LPR is not exactly controlled or influenced by official Catholic Church in Poland. In fact Radio Maryjaa and its leader worries Church much. There is rather very old-fashioned movement connected with many phobias and fears. You can call it somewhat populistic but it's not exactly that. They are just old "Chadecja " lacking of peoples like Dmowski to lead them.
?To Pommerania Prince - LPR is not exactly controlled or influenced by official Catholic Church in Poland. In fact Radio Maryjaa and its leader worries Church much. There is rather very old-fashioned movement connected with many phobias and fears. You can call it somewhat populistic but it's not exactly that. They are just old "Chadecja " lacking of peoples like Dmowski to lead them.
There is however still a german minority in Poland. Statistically not very big, 2-3 % (still almost a million people). They weren`t treated very well in communist times I recall, most will die out within one generation as the youths are polonized. There was a whole program about it on dutch tv last month.Originally posted by Jools
about silesia,
I read recently that the EU plans to give Polish 'oppressed' minorities more privelidges, oh sorry I meant rights. What minorities are they talking about? Well.. YOU KNOW... silesians, highlanders, pommeranians...
This whole fight about silesians is generally funny. Germans call for all silisians not to be afraid to call themselves Germans, the leader of the puny Movement for Autonomy for Silisia tells them to call themselves silisian. This is SOOO funny. My Grandma was born in Mikolowo, Silesia (the whole town is my family
Btw, Should I be a Pommeranian or Kujawian? I`m born in Bydgoszcz but my roots are somewhere in Pomorze.
Maybe it is not such a bad idea to create a bunch of small Polands... They always say small countries are easier to govern.
Wieje od ciebie nienawisci¹ kolego
Pamiêtaj!
Zgoda buduje - niezgoda rujnuje.
SLD nie jest moj¹ ukochan¹ parti¹, po prostu wybra³em mniejsze z³o
Forget your dreams and imagine what would it mean: thirty small states with thirty BIG parliaments, thirty armies (of course, we'd all like to defend ourselves), two hundred thousant pollitical parties... Just imagine Kujawy divided onto 200 counties, each consisting of some 500 people, local governement with its politicians included...
NIGHTMARE!
Cheers
It's so easy to judge...
"It's foolish!!! That's stupid!!! And that one ridicuolus!!!..."
1830,1863 etc... Polish uprisings... We can talk about chances to defeat enemy, about political and military situation, but none has right to judge people who fought for The Country (of any nation).
You can say that for example Warsaw's uprising was a huge mistake. Yes, you can, but would you fight for your Homeland? With 10000 tanks, 10000 planes ... things seems to be easier.
What should we do when only bare hands left and so much pain and hate?
I know, we are more useful when we live and work. That's the way to make country stronger, but - that time - for whom?
Everyone is wise now... One thing is sure - people who fomented uprisings didn't want to be heros at any cost. They did what they felt. Can you say, they were stupid or something like that? I hope not.
And another thing.
There's no point to attack Russians. Now we have well industrialized western part of our country (they were always Polish - that's out of question) and almost no national minorities! That's important.
Wny do I say that Silesia and Pomerania are Polish (only)?
Imagine, you have got a car. You are the owner - first and only. Then you are a little inattentive and someone steals it. The thief changes the car, he makes it even better. better engine, seant, tyres and so one... But it is still YOUR CAR!!!!!!!
We and Russians ane Slavs!!! The same roots, the same sence of humor!!! So we should live together in harmony.
Wsejwo haroszewo dla wsjech ljudiej is Rassiji!!! Paka!!!
"It's foolish!!! That's stupid!!! And that one ridicuolus!!!..."
1830,1863 etc... Polish uprisings... We can talk about chances to defeat enemy, about political and military situation, but none has right to judge people who fought for The Country (of any nation).
You can say that for example Warsaw's uprising was a huge mistake. Yes, you can, but would you fight for your Homeland? With 10000 tanks, 10000 planes ... things seems to be easier.
What should we do when only bare hands left and so much pain and hate?
I know, we are more useful when we live and work. That's the way to make country stronger, but - that time - for whom?
Everyone is wise now... One thing is sure - people who fomented uprisings didn't want to be heros at any cost. They did what they felt. Can you say, they were stupid or something like that? I hope not.
And another thing.
There's no point to attack Russians. Now we have well industrialized western part of our country (they were always Polish - that's out of question) and almost no national minorities! That's important.
Wny do I say that Silesia and Pomerania are Polish (only)?
Imagine, you have got a car. You are the owner - first and only. Then you are a little inattentive and someone steals it. The thief changes the car, he makes it even better. better engine, seant, tyres and so one... But it is still YOUR CAR!!!!!!!
We and Russians ane Slavs!!! The same roots, the same sence of humor!!! So we should live together in harmony.
Wsejwo haroszewo dla wsjech ljudiej is Rassiji!!! Paka!!!
Originally posted by Kasperus
There is however still a german minority in Poland. Statistically not very big, 2-3 % (still almost a million people). They weren`t treated very well in communist times I recall, most will die out within one generation as the youths are polonized. There was a whole program about it on dutch tv last month.
Btw, Should I be a Pommeranian or Kujawian? I`m born in Bydgoszcz but my roots are somewhere in Pomorze.
Maybe it is not such a bad idea to create a bunch of small Polands... They always say small countries are easier to govern.
German minority is less than 500,000 , Germans came to Silesia and they PAY people to get German citizenship, they buy factories there , fire people and hire those with double citizenship, I know this casue a) I have seen this b) my mate from College lives there
I live in Krakow and as every good Krakus I consider myself as POLISH, I hate this regionalisation promoted by EU, people seems to see that this activity of 90. had bad influance
Allright, 200 is perhaps a bit to many... How about something about 4-10? Perhaps the way football-3rd divisions are made (Pomorze-Wielkopolska, Slask-Ziemia Lubuska, Mazowsze-Mazury, Maloposlka-Podhale) All having it own parlament (as German bundeslandet). So something of an American/german system, but being a more lose confederation, having only one president and a small Council for general infrastructure, general economy and foreign politics. Further of course just 1 army for all the country.
Regionalisation doesn`t mean you will lose your national identity, I don`t think germans or French have problems with that, and Poland is a big country with an old culture.
I don`t really see why Germany would stimulate Poles to get a double citizenship (so in fact getting german citizenship for free) It means an extra social burden on german state, which already has enough economical problems. I live in the Netherlands and here people are sure there are already to much people who claim social payments because they have dutch nationality (while having villa`s somewhere in a foreign country) and I think Germany is comparable to the netherlands in that case.
But imagine some Pole born in Lvov, let's say, in 1940. His family decided (and managed) to stay there, but had to accept soviet passport. Through all of his life he couldn't state loudly and clearly that he IS a Pole because the officials stated that there is no polish minority in Lvov and he would have problems because of that. He felt like a stranger on his own land. Moreover, the guy became as poor as other SU citizens. And suddenly, after sixty years, some polish state clerks come to Lvov, meet the guy and offer him help and - at last - polish passport. I guess you'd agree, that accepting it is in this case totally OK. So why do you see something wrong in Germans living in Poland and doing the same? They did not have right to be Germans for almost 50 years- why should we ban them becoming Polish - German citizens?
Cheers
I get your point but thats not how it goes, cause Germans propose this citizenship to silesians, not necessarly Germans
about Ukraine, when we finally will get rid of those bloody postcommies, we will do like Hungary's Victor Orban, a Card of Poleevery Pole from outside Poland will have cheap social services in Poland, than you will see how many Poles will come
BTW have you heard that in Card of Magyar Orban increased its right to Romanians, thats funny story
about Ukraine, when we finally will get rid of those bloody postcommies, we will do like Hungary's Victor Orban, a Card of Pole
every Pole from outside Poland will have cheap social services in Poland, than you will see how many Poles will come BTW have you heard that in Card of Magyar
Orban increased its right to Romanians, thats funny storyGerman minority in Poland - 110.000-150.000 (which gives 0,2-0,3% of Poland's population).
2-3% ??? Kasperus, that's impossible!!!
2-3% ??? Kasperus, that's impossible!!!
My sources say 2-3%, your say 0,2-0,3 so it would be something around 1.5% which is about 700.000
CIA factbook gives 1.3 for Germans, 0.6 for Ukrainians, 0.5 for Belorussians (1990). Not that it's terribly reliable source.
For example, interesting thing-95% Roman Catholic, 75% practicing. Yeah, sure, it's about 50%.
For example, interesting thing-95% Roman Catholic, 75% practicing. Yeah, sure, it's about 50%.
If being a christian with christmas counts for CIA as practicing these numbers should be correct.
Btw, I just checked my (polish) encyclopedia, which only tells recognized national minorities are about 1 million (2,6%) so it could be correct. Of course it does probably not include "polonized" ex-germans/ukrainians/bielorussians/whateverians
Hmmm, i think in that case it should be well over 90%, even my family celebrated christmast (in some twisted way, i admit
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of course, communists being ideologically fully atheists do not celebrate christmas, so could that be those 25%? It does explain the win of SLD last elections...
Ehhh, i don't think there is even one ideological communist in PolandOriginally posted by Kasperus
of course, communists being ideologically fully atheists do not celebrate christmas, so could that be those 25%? It does explain the win of SLD last elections...
Well, are you really wondering why after four years of AWS ruling so many people voted for SLD???
I don't.
Hmm, you are actually living in Poland. During AWS-cadency I was there only once, summer 2000 iirc; with christmas SLD was already in charge. Dutch media do not keep us very informed about Poland actually. We would have heard it only if it went REALLY bad... All I know is what I heard from my family with christmas, and it wasn`t very specific.Originally posted by Maur13
Ehhh, i don't think there is even one ideological communist in Poland
Well, are you really wondering why after four years of AWS ruling so many people voted for SLD???
I don't.