Polish duchy names and Pommerania rulers

[unmerged(24328)]

Hi, I think that this could be changed...

Sandomiersk was Polish Duchy not Russian, so should be using Polish form - Sandomierskie (like PROV531) not Sandomiersk.
Krakow could be changed to latin form Cracovia, like Mazovia (Mazowieckie)

In 1066 Scenario, Pommerania and Mecklemburg provinces are Werstern Slavic, but rulers are still Lithuanians...

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

These are the lithuanian characters in the western slavic provinces

}
character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 20584 }
name = "Vaisvilkas"
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id =100260 }
country = MECK
religion = pagan
culture = lithuanian
score = { gold = 100 prestige = 100 piety = 100 }
birthdate = { year = 1039 month = january day = 0 }
dna = "83989539775705"
attributes = {
martial = 8
diplomacy = 5
intrigue = 8
stewardship = 8
health = 8
fertility = 6
}
traits = {
merciful = yes
flamboyant_schemer = yes
}
}

}
character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 4584 }
name = "Roze"
gender = female
dynasty = { type = 12 id =100260 }
country = MECK
religion = pagan
culture = lithuanian
birthdate = { year = 1049 month = january day = 1 }
dna = "92422186543199"
attributes = {
martial = 4
diplomacy = 6
intrigue = 7
stewardship = 8
health = 5
fertility = 6
}
traits = {
court_education = yes
}
}

}
character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 4623 }
name = "Roze"
gender = female
dynasty = { type = 12 id =100366 }
country = POMM
religion = pagan
culture = lithuanian
birthdate = { year = 1049 month = january day = 1 }
dna = "83989539775705"
attributes = {
martial = 4
diplomacy = 6
intrigue = 7
stewardship = 4
health = 5
fertility = 6
}
traits = {
court_education = yes
}
}
}
character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 20623 }
name = "Aras"
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id =100366 }
country = POMM
religion = pagan
culture = lithuanian
score = { gold = 50 prestige = 100 piety = 100 }
birthdate = { year = 1039 month = january day = 0 }
dna = "03003338487333"
attributes = {
martial = 4
diplomacy = 5
intrigue = 4
stewardship = 4
health = 5
fertility = 5
}
traits = {
hunchback = yes
flamboyant_schemer = yes
}
}
character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 20625 }
name = "Azuolas"
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id =100367 }
country = C367
religion = pagan
culture = lithuanian
score = { gold = 25 prestige = 100 piety = 100 }
birthdate = { year = 1039 month = january day = 0 }
dna = "14860517938126"
attributes = {
martial = 4
diplomacy = 6
intrigue = 8
stewardship = 7
health = 4
fertility = 6
}
traits = {
knowledged_tactician = yes
}
}
}
character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 4625 }
name = "Svajone"
gender = female
dynasty = { type = 12 id =100367 }
country = C367
religion = pagan
culture = lithuanian
birthdate = { year = 1049 month = january day = 1 }
dna = "03003338487333"
attributes = {
martial = 4
diplomacy = 6
intrigue = 7
stewardship = 7
health = 5
fertility = 6
}
traits = {
court_education = yes
}
}
character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 4626 }
name = "Giedre"
gender = female
dynasty = { type = 12 id =100368 }
country = C368
religion = pagan
culture = lithuanian
birthdate = { year = 1049 month = january day = 1 }
dna = "03003338487333"
attributes = {
martial = 4
diplomacy = 6
intrigue = 7
stewardship = 5
health = 5
fertility = 6
}
traits = {
court_education = yes
}
}
}
character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 20626 }
name = "Erdvilas"
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id =100368 }
country = C368
religion = pagan
culture = lithuanian
score = { gold = 25 prestige = 100 piety = 100 }
birthdate = { year = 1039 month = january day = 0 }
dna = "16838053173251"
attributes = {
martial = 4
diplomacy = 7
intrigue = 8
stewardship = 5
health = 8
fertility = 4
}
traits = {
intestinal_worm = yes
tough_soldier = yes
}

}

 

[unmerged(24328)]

Yeah, but they should be Western Slavic...

In Solmyr's Mod Pommeranian and Mecklemburg's rulers were correct...


Edit:

I think he made very good work

character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 505 }
name = "Drahomira"
gender = female
dynasty = { type = 12 id =100364 }
country = DBOH
religion = catholic
culture = westernslavic
birthdate = { year = 890 month = january day = 1 }
deathdate = { year = 935 month = january day = 1 }
dna = "18272760984577"
attributes = {
martial = 4
diplomacy = 8
intrigue = 5
stewardship = 7
health = 5
fertility = 7
}
traits = {
energetic = yes
suspicious = yes
charismatic_negotiator = yes
}
}



===============


character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 20584 }
name = "Budivoj"
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id =620 }
country = MECK
religion = pagan
culture = westernslavic
score = { gold = 100 prestige = 100 piety = 100 }
birthdate = { year = 1039 month = january day = 0 }
dna = "83989539775705"
attributes = {
martial = 8
diplomacy = 5
intrigue = 8
stewardship = 8
health = 8
fertility = 6
}
traits = {
merciful = yes
flamboyant_schemer = yes
}
}


=================

character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 20623 }
name = "Swietopelk"
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id =100366 }
country = POMM
religion = pagan
culture = westernslavic
score = { gold = 50 prestige = 100 piety = 100 }
birthdate = { year = 1039 month = january day = 0 }
dna = "03003338487333"
attributes = {
martial = 4
diplomacy = 5
intrigue = 4
stewardship = 4
health = 5
fertility = 5
}
traits = {
hunchback = yes
flamboyant_schemer = yes
}
}



================


character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 20625 }
name = "Barnim"
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id =100367 }
country = C367
religion = pagan
culture = westernslavic
score = { gold = 25 prestige = 100 piety = 100 }
birthdate = { year = 1039 month = january day = 0 }
dna = "14860517938126"
attributes = {
martial = 4
diplomacy = 6
intrigue = 8
stewardship = 7
health = 4
fertility = 6
}
traits = {
knowledged_tactician = yes
}
}


===========


character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 20626 }
name = "Wratislaw"
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id =100368 }
country = C368
religion = pagan
culture = westernslavic
score = { gold = 25 prestige = 100 piety = 100 }
birthdate = { year = 1039 month = january day = 0 }
dna = "16838053173251"
attributes = {
martial = 4
diplomacy = 7
intrigue = 8
stewardship = 5
health = 8
fertility = 4
}
traits = {
intestinal_worm = yes
tough_soldier = yes
}
}


===========


character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 4584 }
name = "Róza"
gender = female
dynasty = { type = 12 id =100260 }
country = MECK
religion = pagan
culture = westernslavic
birthdate = { year = 1049 month = january day = 1 }
dna = "92422186543199"
attributes = {
martial = 4
diplomacy = 6
intrigue = 7
stewardship = 8
health = 5
fertility = 6
}
traits = {
court_education = yes
}
}


==================


character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 4623 }
name = "Rycheza"
gender = female
dynasty = { type = 12 id =100366 }
country = POMM
religion = pagan
culture = westernslavic
birthdate = { year = 1049 month = january day = 1 }
dna = "83989539775705"
attributes = {
martial = 4
diplomacy = 6
intrigue = 7
stewardship = 4
health = 5
fertility = 6
}
traits = {
court_education = yes
}
}



===========



character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 4625 }
name = "Salomea"
gender = female
dynasty = { type = 12 id =100367 }
country = C367
religion = pagan
culture = westernslavic
birthdate = { year = 1049 month = january day = 1 }
dna = "03003338487333"
attributes = {
martial = 4
diplomacy = 6
intrigue = 7
stewardship = 7
health = 5
fertility = 6
}
traits = {
court_education = yes
}
}


============


character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 4626 }
name = "Grazyna"
gender = female
dynasty = { type = 12 id =100368 }
country = C368
religion = pagan
culture = westernslavic
birthdate = { year = 1049 month = january day = 1 }
dna = "03003338487333"
attributes = {
martial = 4
diplomacy = 6
intrigue = 7
stewardship = 5
health = 5
fertility = 6
}
traits = {
court_education = yes
}
}

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

I just put the list in here so the Paradox people know which characters to look for. The chance they will change it is bigger if you give them the character ID's.

 

[Grosshaus]

Feel free to make a mod of these if you wish but culture changes are no longer included in official patches.

 

[unmerged(24328)]

But in 3th June Beta, were many cultural changes. Mecklemburgia and Pommerania have prussian provinces and beta changed them to western slavic

Rulers culture should be also changed

 

[unmerged(27913)]

I agree. I don't understand why wouldn't they include this small change. I mean we are talking only about a half of dozen character names and their cultures...and thats all....

 

[Grosshaus]

I agree. I don't understand why wouldn't they include this small change. I mean we are talking only about a half of dozen character names and their cultures...and thats all....

If it´s included then next somebody wants to have a similar minor change, then another......and in the end there will be a fistfight about the Dutch provinces. Better to leave cultures be. If you make an awesome mod that nobody has a grudge with then it can perhaps be included.

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

Yes it is best to leave the culture thing to players themself.

There will never be a full agreement on what is what and where.

Everytime a thread is started about names or cultures it mostly gets very ugly. Since all the changes are easy to do as a gamer yourself don't let paradox bother with it.

Let paradox improve the gameplay and let the flavour of the game (that is really what culture is to me) over to the gamers.

 

[unmerged(27913)]

If it´s included then next somebody wants to have a similar minor change, then another......and in the end there will be a fistfight about the Dutch provinces. Better to leave cultures be. If you make an awesome mod that nobody has a grudge with then it can perhaps be included.

The problem here is not about Dutch provinces nor any other such similar thing. We are here talking about Lithuanians in the middle of Russia!?!?! I think everyone can agree thats completly wrong so I don't see what would in changing that be contreversive. The same goes for Prussian rulers in Mecklenburg and Pomerania, if you made the provinces Western Slavic/Wendish(as it should be btw.) then you could also change those two-three characters rulling voer them.

Also this has nothing to do with my mod as I suggested for the official patch to be changed to Ugric while I plan to make them Finnish in my culture mod.

And btw. so that no one else gets a wrong "impression" this is my opinion. I am not "insinuating" nor "demanding" anything.

 

[Grosshaus]

The problem here is not about Dutch provinces nor any other such similar thing.

Trust me, it will be about the Dutch soon if the can of worms is opened

You can think of it like this if that pleases you more: the amount of time people making the patche is so limited that not all problems can be taken care of. Cultures have given the lowest priority as their impact on gameplay is extremely minor.

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

Trust me, it will be about the Dutch soon if the can of worms is opened

Yes, nobody f@#ks with the Dutch :rofl:

 

[unmerged(27913)]

Yes the Dutch....but I still don't know how could this have anything to with the Dutch....
1. Do we have more then enough evidnece there were no Prussians rulling over Polabian Slavs? YES WE DO!
2. Do we have enough evidence to say MOrdvins do not belong to Lithuanin nor even Baltic group of people? YES WE DO!

How do Dutch come into this story eludes me....

 

[unmerged(27913)]

Btw. on the Wendish rulers.....the ruler of Mecklenburg should not be Budivoj. He came to "throne" in 1067 which means he was still to come.
In 1.1.1066 when the 1066 scenarion begins the rulers was still Gottschalk, he should be also Catholic.

You can see the ongoing discussion in the Grand Culture Mod thread.

 

[Grosshaus]

Btw. on the Wendish rulers.....the ruler of Mecklenburg should not be Budivoj. He came to "throne" in 1067 which means he was still to come.
In 1.1.1066 when the 1066 scenarion begins the rulers was still Gottschalk, he should be also Catholic.

You can see the ongoing discussion in the Grand Culture Mod thread.

If you have sources to back that claim them I´d propose letting Styrbjorn or Solmyr, the betas who mostly deal with that stuff, know of it.

 

[unmerged(27913)]

If you have sources to back that claim them I´d propose letting Styrbjorn or Solmyr, the betas who mostly deal with that stuff, know of it.

Actually I've just been told it was not Budivoi as well, it was his berother in law(married his sister) named Kruto(Cruto?). Budivoi should control some smaller parts of Mecklenburg and the other brother Henrik should be in Danish court. Both Henrik and Budivoi were sons of Gotschalk and should also be a part of "Gotschalkovic" dynasty. Budivoi had the claim on the title "King of Wendia" which should be the real title for Wends(W.Slavs) in the Baltics not MECK or POMM.

I'll do some more research and when I work all out I'll post it here and posibbly even contact Solmyr myself.