Is there some good polish book on the Swedish Invasion in 1655?
Preferably translated to english...
Preferably translated to english...
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I don't think there are any translations..... Polish history book writing has really hit a dump recently.
Well...german translations are ok too...just wanted to have the polish picture of it...
Well in short it looks something like this.
-Swedes invade kill a lot of people, they are ^EVIL^.
-Gentry takes Swedish side
-Poland looses a lot of territory, King flees to Silesia.
-Swedes beseige the holy place of Polish faith - the castle of Czestochowa and loose to a few monks and gentrymen. Poles are VERY VERY brave. Swedes are ^EVIL^.
-Swedes start loosing. Anti swedish peasant revolts fight the ^EVIL^ and now ^INCOMPETENT^ Swedes
-Poland Wins, Yay!
I know what happened...but have only read the history from a swedish perspective...would like to read it from a polish perspective too....
Well, most decent books (I`m rather talking about the more recent universitary handbooks and not about Sienkiewicz which is more or less what Jools gave as example ) are usually the most boring one`s which never really make it for a translation - actually the only Polish history books I know that have been translated are the most general one`s. So as it often is in historical research the best way to find out the opinions of the other side is just to learn the language...
) are usually the most boring one`s which never really make it for a translation - actually the only Polish history books I know that have been translated are the most general one`s. So as it often is in historical research the best way to find out the opinions of the other side is just to learn the language...
Originally posted by Kasperus
Well, most decent books (I`m rather talking about the more recent universitary handbooks and not about Sienkiewicz which is more or less what Jools gave as example
Yeah..I know..but it would be quite painful I think...I could probably learn the language, but it would be too much effort just to get the polish wiews on this matter...
Try the books of prof. Frost from Scotland. He worked on sources in Poland. Good analyses.
I don't think that some Polish historians were translated but I can give you the several names you can trace in bibliteques if you want.
I don't think that some Polish historians were translated but I can give you the several names you can trace in bibliteques if you want.
Originally posted by Wasa
I know what happened...but have only read the history from a swedish perspective...would like to read it from a polish perspective too....
This is the Polish perspective... ^EEEVIL SWEEEDES^^
You can check Norman Davies book, he compares his view to the Polish view in a few chapters.
'Polish view' presented by Norman Davies is what Norman Davies thought to be the Polish view actually... a tiny little difference
Of course we were evil..and still are..but it would be interesting nonetheless to read a polish wiew on the events..preferably a writer who is translated to english or german..
Originally posted by Wasa
Please do...
Ok. I'll check it tomorrow. As for the Norman Davies - he is very good in 20th cen. but I would be very careful about everything he can say about earlier times.
Well, the thought that the Deluge destroyed Poland more than WWI and WWII altogether (at least in terms of trade and industry) is somehow popular here.
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I understand that..hmm..isn´t there even a line in the polish national anthem about the "evil" swedes?
'Swedish occupation' is used in the 3rd verse of the anthem but that implies more how great a leader Czarniecki was then how evil the Swedes to my simple understanding of the anthem... i`m sure that the Poles here can explain it better.
..well.....they ("evil Swedes"
) left in ruins quite a number of beautiful castles here. For example Krzyztopór palace. This arch. beauty was built only to be destroyed in few years later by those "barbaric Swedes"
Originally posted by EUfan
..well.....they ("evil Swedes"
..and that is the kind of details I´m interested in. Is there still visible ruins from the..err.."evil" swedish invasion?..I may visit Poland this summer..