Poland

[Swordsman1219]

I am probably going to be hated for this but I would like it if someone could suggest to me how to survive as Poland in the build up to WW2. I have tried my old strategy of building land forts and my 7+2 arty armies and they get swept aside and I don't really know any other strategies. I use my (meagre) production to focus on fort building not factories, is that a mistake? What can I do? Please someone help

 

[S.Brandt]

For some reason Poland is completely messed up to play with after this last patch. My strategy was always to take Romania but right now it is impossible, the Romanians have some crazy defensive bonuses. It's time for the Polish national focus tree to be reworked, and it would be more than fair to get the polish amour techs to a historical level in 1936.

 

[Swordsman1219]

Mind you, I just did a playthrough where I cheated like hell as the player basically giving myself buffs to research and construction speed. I still got overrun and slaughtered. WTF is going on here?

 

[Swordsman1219]

Anyone have any thoughts?

 

[S.Brandt]

I guess that not many people play with Poland anymore...

 

[AscendedAlteran]

I also want to know the answer with the nerf to Soft Attack and SF, Germany is much harder opponent. It was already hard to hold the line much less win. I guess you need to produce more CAS and Fighters than Germany and have more hard attack and pierce than Germany panzer divisions defences.


This is a sad day for the rest of us

 

[Swordsman1219]

How can you do that with only like 6 factories and shortages of materials?

 

[AscendedAlteran]

you can't
but that is what is needed to stop germany.

i recently was playing as Greece and taking on germany italy yougoslavia and spain all attacking me on my borders and i was using three armies made up of 18 7 inf 2 art with support of engineer recon art anti-tank and anti air; 1 mountaineers with the same setup and 5, 6 light tank 4 mobile inf with the same support and constatnly using add_equipment and after taking back albania and a few provinces in lower yugo we stalemated i didn't have the research slots and tech to keep align with the powers i was lossing millions while they were losing thousands and this was under superior firepower on civillian difficulty.

up until this patch i would sweep the field with 7/2 6/4 setup

i had a better earlier game against germany as france attacking them at the reineland event using GBP with same setup and with alot less cheats managed to defeat germany alone.

 

[myzael]

I didn't have much trouble defending on regular difficulty and historical focuses. 10 INF+ENG+REC+SupART+SupAA. I had 50ish fully trained divisions with 20ish in queue. Plus maxed out mountaineers for the southern border. And I even't didn't own WtT yet, so no general trait bonuses or command abilities.

Standard "build CIV first, MIL later", no forts. The only things I researched was industry, infantry&electronics techs and superior firepower doctrine.

The single unusual thing I did was to convert all starting PZL.11 to PZL.24 with one factory in the beginning (it costs no resources, little reason not to do this)

I can post screenshots and the save later, but keep in mind it was a quick run without much strategising. I am certain it's possible to do this much more efficiently. You'd have a slowflake's chance in hell if you were against a human Germany though.

 

[Swordsman1219]

I didn't have much trouble defending on regular difficulty and historical focuses. 10 INF+ENG+REC+SupART+SupAA. I had 50ish fully trained divisions with 20ish in queue. Plus maxed out mountaineers for the southern border. And I even't didn't own WtT yet, so no general trait bonuses or command abilities.

Standard "build CIV first, MIL later", no forts. The only things I researched was industry, infantry&electronics techs and superior firepower doctrine.

The single unusual thing I did was to convert all starting PZL.11 to PZL.24 with one factory in the beginning (it costs no resources, little reason not to do this)

I can post screenshots and the save later, but keep in mind it was a quick run without much strategising. I am certain it's possible to do this much more efficiently. You'd have a slowflake's chance in hell if you were against a human Germany though.

I'd love to see screenshots, I am assuming you're still running the cornflakes AI even though you don't have WtT? How do you get enough Arty and AA?

 

[myzael]

I'd love to see screenshots, I am assuming you're still running the cornflakes AI even though you don't have WtT? How do you get enough Arty and AA?

Support arty is dirt cheap now that it only has 12 guns in a regiment. Support AA has 20 but requires only steel, I started with 1 factory on it from the beginning.

And key to defense seems to be quantity over quality. How many divisions did you have on the outbreak?

 

[PatrykCXXVIII]

The "Give Gdańsk/Danzig to Germany then wait for Soviet invasion over Eastern Poland, and wait until they lose enough man attacking, so you can counter-invade and take over whole USSR" strategy doesn't work anymore?

 

[Swordsman1219]

The "Give Gdańsk/Danzig to Germany then wait for Soviet invasion over Eastern Poland, and wait until they lose enough man attacking, so you can counter-invade and take over whole USSR" strategy doesn't work anymore?

I never give up Gdansk

 

[myzael]

My save for reference, I am too lazy to create screeshots ;P

 

[TheMeInTeam]

I also want to know the answer with the nerf to Soft Attack and SF, Germany is much harder opponent. It was already hard to hold the line much less win. I guess you need to produce more CAS and Fighters than Germany and have more hard attack and pierce than Germany panzer divisions defences.


This is a sad day for the rest of us

Planning bonus got nerfed harder than soft attack, and German planning bonus was very dangerous in 1.4.2. I don't see why 20width infantry stacks with support artilleries get piercing should be any different this patch than last. In 1.4.2 I held with those w/o forts, ultimately pushing into Germany when they took stuff off the line briefly during Benelux.

I'm not sure it's worth trying to solo both Germany and USSR though, might need to give them East Poland for a bit until you cap Germany, after which you can solo USSR.

 

[PatrykCXXVIII]

I never give up Gdansk

Maybe you should try, and then reconquer it with whole Soviet industry?

 

[billcorr]

10 width pure infantry units + CAS may be a recipe for success. See other conversations about the 10 width "org wall" defense.

The CAS might have a difficult time in the face of Axis air-superior. But if the UK allies with Poland, then Commonwealth airplanes can use Polish air fields.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

10 width pure infantry units + CAS may be a recipe for success. See other conversations about the 10 width "org wall" defense.

The CAS might have a difficult time in the face of Axis air-superior. But if the UK allies with Poland, then Commonwealth airplanes can use Polish air fields.

They can, but they won't do it reliably. Better to plan against having such help unless you'd doing co-op MP.

 

[VoodooEconomist]

They can, but they won't do it reliably. Better to plan against having such help unless you'd doing co-op MP.

Unreliable UK support for the defense of Poland against the Reich? Who would have thought...

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Unreliable UK support for the defense of Poland against the Reich? Who would have thought...

I know right? But player should plan accordingly, and it's winnable w/o UK air support.