Poland, phoney war, a Goering coup and peace

[Tisifoni12]

There is no phoney war, Germany always, so it seems, goes straight from Poland to France without pause,

Yesterday watched an interesting short Mark Felton video about diplomatic contact via Sweden between Germany and Britain after Poland. Goering and members of the German aristocracy seeking a peace settlement and willing to put Adolf 'on the table'; coup time with Goering . . .

Mentioned in the video that Philip Mountbatten's (later Duke of Edinburgh) sister who was German aristocracy / Greek royalty was married to a Swedish noble. Approaches were made to Lord Halifax.

Peace at the cost of Poland an unlikely outcome admittedly, but I think it makes more sense for Germany to hope that France and Britain might settle for the fait accompli of the carve up of Poland, while giving themselves another six months to prepare for the French campaign.

The possibility of an internal Nazi coup ?

 

[HmJ_JP]

There are many historical reasons why there was a pause - a phoney war - in the western front:

• relative weakness of German army identified after Poland surrendered
• lack of armored equipment to attack "the biggest army in the world"
• no rush due to lack of aggressivity by Allies
• first western offensive plan had to be changed due to plans being lost after a plan accident
• etc...

I don't think we necessarily have to follow the same script in our historical games, especially because there's not the surprise effect and usually Germany is already well equipped by September 1939.

However, if you play as France, you may enjoy a phoney war, especially if your army is strong and/or you don't join the Allies.

 

[Findell_HOI]

It can happen sometimes depending on how long it takes to knock out poland. They are hard coded to not declare on the benelux region countries untill poland is captured and the AI is unable to push directly though the Maginot line.

 

[Ossiv]

There are many historical reasons why there was a pause - a phoney war - in the western front:

• relative weakness of German army identified after Poland surrendered
• lack of armored equipment to attack "the biggest army in the world"
• no rush due to lack of aggressivity by Allies
• first western offensive plan had to be changed due to plans being lost after a plan accident
• etc...

I don't think we necessarily have to follow the same script in our historical games, especially because there's not the surprise effect and usually Germany is already well equipped by September 1939.

However, if you play as France, you may enjoy a phoney war, especially if your army is strong and/or you don't join the Allies.

When Hitler visited Mannerheim's birthday in 1942, talks were secretly recorded by the Finnish military intelligence. Hitler talked about the conduct of war and said that Germany did not attack in the West after Poland fell, because their Army was not prepared to fight at Winter. As you said, war in Poland revealed weaknesses, even though their won.

Unpreparedness of the German Army to wage war at Winter became even more clear, when opening of Barbarossa was postponed due to Balkans and the Winter came before they reached Moscow.

 

[HmJ_JP]

Thanks. And some good read about the Mechelen incident, when on 10 January a German aircraft, carrying a staff officer with Manstein plan for an offensive through central Belgium to the North Sea, force-landed near Mechelen in Belgium. The documents were captured but Allied intelligence doubted that they were genuine. Once again, a superb proof of capability from the then-elite chief of staff.

Mechelen incident - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

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I've seen delays between Poland capitulating and Germany doing the invasion through the low countries.