Poland-Lithuania

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Originally posted by Languish

Do you think that could have even possibly ever have happened in real world history?

Im no expert at Polish history but I think I can recall there where very large numbers of protestants in Poland around this time and that many of the nobility was protestants aswell.

An interesting thing would be if Charlex X had succeded in taking the Polish crown, in his campaign against Poland. A book I read suggested he had that as a goal for a short time. Would he have, supported by protestant nobility, converted Poland!?

 

[Languish]

Wow, that's pretty amazing stuff Yoghurt... i bet if he had suceeded it sure as heck might have happened.

A protestant poland for me was in fact an extreme productive area, high manpower and very secure.

 

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Originally posted by Languish
Wow, that's pretty amazing stuff Yoghurt... i bet if he had suceeded it sure as heck might have happened.

A protestant poland for me was in fact an extreme productive area, high manpower and very secure.

You tempting me to try it out my self

 

[Languish]

Originally posted by Yoghurt
You tempting me to try it out my self

I havent made that much money in a game ever, and avoiding war, the conversion process was suprisingly easy.

 

[Morpheus506]

Man, your games always seem to end up with a huge Poland.

Great game!

 

[Languish]

Originally posted by Morpheus506
Man, your games always seem to end up with a huge Poland.

Great game!

Yeah and thanks

 

[Cow Pie]

let's see, Opportunist Savoy, Expansionist League, and oddly enough pacifist Poland. Wonder what the next will be like, also you get an AAR done by the time I get one up.

 

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Originally posted by Languish
I'd be interested to hear about what you think of my strange decision to go protestant

Do you think that could have even possibly ever have happened in real world history?

Languish,
well, I dont believe this could really happen, but it is not that unrealistic as some people may think.
Primo, in that period of history, Poland was one of most tollerant places on earth ( yeah, I know everybody thinks we were always ultracatholic). All kinds of different religions found their asylum here.
Secundo, reformed community was really strong in 17 century, e.g. lots of calvins among aristocracy ( see swedish invasion, they found lots of friendly foes in P-L).
Tertio, we had a bad habbit of electing weak monarchs, shall we had by mistake one strong king, nobody knows which direction Poland would go.

So, I defenitely wouldnt call your decision 'strange'.

Btw if not one stupid, too ambitious bastard who broke treaty with Turks ( see war against Turks in 1444 and battle of Warna) we could have faitfull and strong ( and definetely far from being 'catholic' ) ally, helpfull to sort out that mess we had later on.

regards
czerpak

 

[Languish]

Yeah I always get the impression that Poland-Lithuania is considered "ultra-catholic" which everyone knows isn't true. I think Poland could have had a very different history in todays world if many of its rulers and administrators had made the right moves.

 

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Originally posted by Languish
In 1716, after the conclusion of the successful war against the Turks, it is:

1. Spain 2826
2. Turkey 1762
3. France 1587
4. Poland-Lithuania 1412
5. Russia 1261
6. Austria 1200
7. England 987
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   It is also worth noting i have second strongest economy after Spain, but actually twice the income per month than even the nearest competitor...
   
   Don't forget too, that unlike most of these nations, i dont have either a far flung colonial empire nor have been engaging in major warfare until recently. It will be interesting to see these VP's in 1792 for sure

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   Yea, Spain is a hard player.
   You were not aggressive (especially)
   
   Good job marshal !!

 

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Originally posted by czerpak
Languish,
well, I dont believe this could really happen, but it is not that unrealistic as some people may think.
Primo, in that period of history, Poland was one of most tollerant places on earth ( yeah, I know everybody thinks we were always ultracatholic). All kinds of different religions found their asylum here.
Secundo, reformed community was really strong in 17 century, e.g. lots of calvins among aristocracy ( see swedish invasion, they found lots of friendly foes in P-L).
Tertio, we had a bad habbit of electing weak monarchs, shall we had by mistake one strong king, nobody knows which direction Poland would go.

So, I defenitely wouldnt call your decision 'strange'.

Btw if not one stupid, too ambitious bastard who broke treaty with Turks ( see war against Turks in 1444 and battle of Warna) we could have faitfull and strong ( and definetely far from being 'catholic' ) ally, helpfull to sort out that mess we had later on.

regards
czerpak

The chance were in 1552. Aristocracy demended a new benefits (of course ) and wanted to create a polish nationative church.
New king, Zygmunt August, were very opened person
Zygmunt August = Henry VIII? probably yes
The succes of pope's policy hanged by a thin thread.

And I add: Jan Maczynski were a catholic, next protestant and calvin and later arian and next ... he were nuts ,serious

 

[Languish]

Originally posted by Boleslavus II
Yea, Spain is a hard player.
You were not aggressive (especially)

Good job marshal !!

I deliberately hold off being too aggressive until i feel it would be appropriate for me to do so... and thanks

 

[Morpheus506]

Originally posted by Languish
I deliberately hold off being too aggressive until i feel it would be appropriate for me to do so... and thanks

Pacifist!!! [points finger]

 

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interresting stuff...

The history of Polen-Lituania, as you presents it, is really exciting. I like your style of writing, which has inspired me to make my own AAR. I'm not sure what country to take control of yet....

 

[Morpheus506]

Make sure it's something interesting

But not Brittany!