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Completely disagree with this. Anyway, I don't think it's necessary to get into an irrelevant argument of your facts vs. my facts as this topic is already much longer than it should be..

Oh come on, you make a ridiculous statement and when someone calls your BS you run away with this? Seriously? Innecessary argument?
No buddy, you learning this bit of information is probably more necessary than you playing a game or discussing anything on a forum.
Get this right, in your own interest and for application in real life:

Burden of proof is always on the person making the claim.
 

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Considering Poland's importance during the timeframe I'm surprised to see no DD yet.

On the other hand, anything that makes fanatic patriots winge is a welcome entertainment.
Yeah its quite funny the way they argue whether P-L had importance or not. While its true this union/later commonwealth lost its power over time, in the high Middle Ages/Renaissance it was still powerful.
 

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I figure the PLC DD will be the very last one, with a huge trollface plastered over it. ;)
That ought to make it worth waiting then!
 

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IIRC there's an early screeny that shows a PLC tag, which means there will be at least one decision to form it for POL.

And Poland is a tier2 country IIRC, which means it has a specific National group and some flavor events.

Given all these, I guess the only thing we need it patience, if there's not a DD afterall, we will be able to play the exact nation in the game after the release.
 

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Hopefully the PLC dev diary will be the post release one. 'EUIV Post release dev diary: Was PLC balanced correctly? Did they deserve the Tier 2 work? Is the formation OP?'
 

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Hopefully the PLC dev diary will be the post release one. 'EUIV Post release dev diary: Was PLC balanced correctly? Did they deserve the Tier 2 work? Is the formation OP?'

If you have nothing constructive to say, just stay calm.

btw i just hope there will be a button for my BERN led switzerland to change culture in the whole of vaud and dispatch a harsh treatment.

greetings from KANTON BERN to our vassals in the west :p
 

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If you have nothing constructive to say, just stay calm.

btw i just hope there will be a button for my BERN led switzerland to change culture in the whole of vaud and dispatch a harsh treatment.

greetings from KANTON BERN to our vassals in the west :p

Humour is constructive, instead of complaining perhaps keeping light hearted would be more useful :p. Afterall we all know what I said isn't true, so take it with a pinch of salt and have a bit of a laugh xD

((This might be one of those situations where British humour is wasted on everyone though :())
 

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Burden of proof is always on the person making the claim.

Like I said I completely disagree with that but I won't make a deal out of it as it's off-topic and I think you should do/should have done the same.

Hopefully the PLC dev diary will be the post release one. 'EUIV Post release dev diary: Was PLC balanced correctly? Did they deserve the Tier 2 work? Is the formation OP?'

This is a good idea actually...think this would give them a good direction to look in for future patches/DLCs. Comapnies should (sincerely) engage their playerbases like this more often. Maybe don't do it on this forum though or they'll get flooded with "Poland should be western tech group!" or "Why isn't Central Southwestern Bulgarian its own culture group?"
 

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Humour is constructive, instead of complaining perhaps keeping light hearted would be more useful :p. Afterall we all know what I said isn't true, so take it with a pinch of salt and have a bit of a laugh xD

((This might be one of those situations where British humour is wasted on everyone though :())

When on the internet, it is advised to use emoticons to indicate sarcasm. ;)
 

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Like I said I completely disagree with that but I won't make a deal out of it as it's off-topic and I think you should do/should have done the same.



This is a good idea actually...think this would give them a good direction to look in for future patches/DLCs. Comapnies should (sincerely) engage their playerbases like this more often. Maybe don't do it on this forum though or they'll get flooded with "Poland should be western tech group!" or "Why isn't Central Southwestern Bulgarian its own culture group?"

A good direction would be, if not every thread about plc got hijacked by people like you, who not only have no interest and clue about central europe, but also have absolutely nothing to contribute to the topic. Just stick to what you are accustomed to and let others, who are genuinely interested in a better representation of their area of interest and choice, discuss the matter. that goes not only for the plc, but as a general rule towards areas, which by many are believed to be misrepresented in EU III.

That being sad, it's a bit disappointing there will apparently be no Elective Monarchy form of government. This would've been great for all historic elective monarchies. But from what i gathered the Province setup will be a lot better in the PLC area, than in EU III. What i hope, is that also the distribution of basetax will be more in line with history. What bothered me for example, were the high basetax provinces of brandenburg, which was IMHO not very historical.
A question which i don't think we have the answer yet, is how Provinces with neighbouring nomads will be modified, or if anything there will happen at all. This is something that greatly concerned Poland, Moldavia, Lithuania, and all of Russia - the interaction with steppe nomads. I will surely miss the magna mundi nomad system, where border provinces were constantly raided, not in the sense of open warfare, but through a modifier, and although you could retaliate if you had an army stationed per decision, you couldnt prevent the nomads from raiding your provinces. This was a very good representation, how you couldn't send out a big army just to "conquer" the nomads, because the economical impact was through constant small scale raids, it was a permanent low profile warfare situation.
Other things bothering me in EU III was a muscovy, which had almost stalinist soviet amounts of force limit/man power which was done through a combo of extreme sliders and national ideas. And although they should've a big manpower pool, it was overblown.
One thing i'm interested in is how the baltic trade will look, and how you can shape it if you decide to go for a navy, i think that'll be the main improvement over EUIII, the trading system.
It's also very promising that there is a commonwealth tag, and i hope we can core the provinces of lithuania per decision, because inheriting a myriad of provinces without cores, was one of the most fatal flaws in playing poland in EU III. This happened to me in vanilla, and in the magna mundi mod, and made the game practically unplayable from this moment onward. So if this gets fixed, it alone would massively improve the quality of gameplay for me.
 

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They should include PLC's ludicrous parliamentary system where nothing could get accomplished, ever, so the PLC just falls apart instantly.
 

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They should include PLC's ludicrous parliamentary system where nothing could get accomplished, ever, so the PLC just falls apart instantly.

They should. Though it shouldn't fall apart immediately. Historically it lasted for over 200 years, slowly decaying over time during latter half. I would love to be able to select starting date after creation of PLC, and then litterally struggle against powerful nobility to stop this political decomposition or reform the government. I hope that it would be challenging, interesting and unique - not just like another ordinary European country save for randomly elected monarchs.
 

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Every time you attempt a reform there should be 90% chance of an event saying "One member of the Sejm objects to legislation!"
The only option is to abandon reform for several years.
 

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lol at above^^
well, there were many people, even magnates that were very well aware of the need of reforms, and were working to increase the power of the king. the question was if the kings would be interested in them. already in the early 16th century, there was a movement mainly aimed at restoring the royal domains as per law to the king, which were held illegally by other magnates. a powerful and smart king, had his ways. We shouldn't just exaggerate the ineptitudes, because most people under the PLC, never enjoyed a better life with more freedom or just economical well being after the Partitions, well until the end of the 19th century. It's not like everyone was a stubborn ox who only cared for himself, this whole system itself also generated people who were very patriotic, and didn't fear the pain of change, if it meant security and preserving the state.