Poland improvement pack

[cegorach]

I bought the AoD yesterday and noticed several things are still unpolished.

Since I am finishing another edition of my package for the CORE I thought it will be smart to share some of this knowledge.

The PIP will include basic changes in several areas:

- new leader file which I was preparing for the AoD, but didn't finish it in time,

- new model pictures because there are several errors while some images are relatively poor (several come from my previous projects),

- revised minister file - basic changes, just to remove errors which are still here (e.g. Moczar available from the beginning and for the wrong people),


+ possibly techteams for communist Poland activated through an event.


In addition I am going to add several, model images for other countries.


The pack is meant to be very simple so it will be ready in a couple of days and its contents could be used in the next patch for the AoD.

I hope you will be enjoying it when it is done (maybe even on Saturday).

 

[unmerged(166917)]

Great news! Thanks!

 

[kristoff]

Cegorach, don't forget about the map of Poland (I mean naming). Don't have time to check AoD now, but IIRC there is i.e. a province named Bielsk Judging from location, it should be Biala Podlaska. There maybe some more such quirks.

PS. I did not check it out, but from others are saying I think AoD map is moddable. Maybe it's high time to divide Koenigsberg province into 2, so post-war Poland (and also Kaliningrad) can finally look more or less OK.

 

[LeeDub]

Tried AoD Poland for a bit, it's way better content-wise than HoI2, but there are errors, like polish CVs get some kind of cruiser pictures, STR bombers get fighter pictures and INT getting turbojet plane models way before turbojet tech.

Apart from that, Poland is pretty much a 1936-1939 trip unless some sort of shenanigans are in play.

 

[cegorach]

Cegorach, don't forget about the map of Poland (I mean naming). Don't have time to check AoD now, but IIRC there is i.e. a province named Bielsk Judging from location, it should be Biala Podlaska. There maybe some more such quirks.

Oh, there are many. Simple changes will be easy to implement - such as this Armia 'Prusy' in Toruń-Modlin with Armia 'Modlin' in Łomża...

PS. I did not check it out, but from others are saying I think AoD map is moddable. Maybe it's high time to divide Koenigsberg province into 2, so post-war Poland (and also Kaliningrad) can finally look more or less OK.

MUmia will prepare something great I ma sure. E3 map will deal with it and frankly I'm not going to expand this pack. Really I made this mistake with my improvement package for CORE which was supposed to be small, but instead keeps growing and growing and growing...

This pack must remain small and simple.

I am a perfectionist so it will be difficult to contain the PIP for the AoD, but I have to do it otherwise... just check the thread in my sign and see some screens.
You will know what I mean.


@LeeDub

Tried AoD Poland for a bit, it's way better content-wise than HoI2, but there are errors, like polish CVs get some kind of cruiser pictures, STR bombers get fighter pictures and INT getting turbojet plane models way before turbojet tech.

Apart from that, Poland is pretty much a 1936-1939 trip unless some sort of shenanigans are in play.

Yes, that is true. Some errors seem unexplicable - especially with those pictures.
But anyway, I prepared the majority of the changes for POL which are in the AoD so I have to finish this work.

 

[Akaki]

The only thing that really annoys me, is the shape of polish-lithuanian-latvian border. See what I mean?

 

[Wildcat_PL]

I think you can directly talk with me, regarding changes you wish to implement in the game, polish regarded issues.

Other then techteams, which are Cardus playground of course.

Please pm me for contact. gadu-gadu or skype

 

[cegorach]

The only thing that really annoys me, is the shape of polish-lithuanian-latvian border. See what I mean?

That is why we have the map mods, don't we?

@Wildcat_PL

I think you can directly talk with me, regarding changes you wish to implement in the game, polish regarded issues.

I will release the pack and you will use whatever you want.

Other then techteams, which are Cardus playground of course.

Please pm me for contact. gadu-gadu or skype

Techteams are fine. I've prepared them and since event based changes were not permitted at that time I will add them on my own and anyone interested would be able to download them.
It is easier this way.

 

[unmerged(133545)]

Excellent!

 

[cegorach]

OK. It will take a little more time. I need to make some additional research about communist POL commanders after 1956.

It is important because this year ended stalinism in Poland and many Soviet commanders assigned to POL army returned home.

There must be at least one event purging the ranks of the communist army of pre-war officers or those who were from the underground or never came back from Britain (or came back and were arrested), not to mention Katyn (which will not be mentioned, but its results will have to be implemented). So communist POL will be left with less than 50% of commanders in the list.

Frankly it should be less than 15%, but that might cause too much damage and I would never find enough replacements for them. Still after the purges and the Soviets coming home there might be almost noone left...

I need to add no less than 10 new commanders, preferably with portraits which will take a couple of days.

Untill that time I've got three things to show:

4 TP recon tank. Image based on a cover of a modelling magazine. There are no photographs of the tank with assembled weaponry so this is the best what you can find. Still it looks very well.

310 mm siege mortar prototype tested in 1939.
When rail cannons images are properly implemented this one would be great for Poland.

New image for the Górnosląski Okręg Przemysłowy. Combined from logos of four, most famous local companies Huta Pokój, Huta Batory, Huta Kościuszko (steel) and Fablok (locomotives and as planned from 1939-40 trucks and tanks).

 

[cegorach]

+ better looking image for Lilpop, Rau &...

Chevrolet assembly line in Warsaw.

I am considering adding one other pre-war company for the game.
Stomil Poznan because it was major rubber producer, built synthetic rubber plants in Dębica as a part of the COP (currently it is large rubber producer in Poland) and was quickly expanding for example by creating another plant in Bydgoszcz.

It also survived to the present days and because chemical industry in pre-war Poland was modern and quickly expanding it should be ok to add another chemical tech team.

I prepard the original TT list for POL, but with present knowledge of the game and better information about planned changes in the POL army I will revise a couple of things.

For example general Bortnowski was supposed to be the most likely replacement for Rydz-Śmigły while general Wincenty Kowalski was supposed to be one of most probable candidates for the position of a chief of staff replacing Stachiewicz.

I want to have all three options covered - pre-war POL which survives, communist Poland (including pre-purge, purged and after 1956 situation) and democratic Poland liberated or couped after 1945.

Only communist POL requires major changes (events) the rest can be covered by a slightly different set of doctrine teams.
8 new land doctrine teams will do the job. Air and sea will be even easier to cover.

Of course the ideal situation would be to have communist POL as an additional revolter state, but that could complicate it too much. AI behaviour for example would be much different if it doesn't recognise this revolter as different, but still POL.

 

[cegorach]

+ image for Stomil POL synth. rubber team

image from its Poznań's factory from 1930s

I proposed it, along with a bunch of CZE teams in the TT thread, but it will be available in the PIP as well.

 

[rzymianin25]

When is it possible to expect the first patch?

 

[cegorach]

Soon. I need to add some basic events and a numer of images to replace what is in the AoD.

 

[rzymianin25]

Cegorach, I hope that you didn't give the project up...

 

[LeeDub]

Seriously, relax... Let the man work.

 

[Titan79]

What about redrawing on-map polish territories in order to make them read as they should (you folks know what I mean : Poznań, Częstochowa, Łódź itd.)?

I thought about doing it a while ago but it's a rather dull work, since it's not as important, TBH. However, if many people here around would mind, then maybe...

 

[cegorach]

Nothing was abandoned - on the contrary. I though I will attempt to rebuilt the entire image section for POL if I can.


I found numerous, unique images which hopefully will be useful.

In addition I will attach a series of dedicated aircraft icons - you might remember my posts in the SKIFF thread - expanded recently using some images for several countries including Czechoslovakia.

New images for Polish mountain infantry were especially difficult to find and thesecond image for POL mechanized units is exceptionally good looking.

I am quite keen on such details and the mechanized column moving in winter in the mountains is something I think many people would like to see in their games.


P.S. I own several Paradox games (EU 1 and 2, HoI 1 and 2 and some older titles) but only now I had to register one here to post something.
Wonderful - first I get a message that as a contributor to the AoD will will receive some enigmatic gift package and now I get this instead. Oh the irony.

 

[LeeDub]

Those look very nice. Good work! But what are those brigades?

 

[cegorach]

Heavy tank concept (20/25 TP) and recon/amphibious tank (3TP better known as PZINż 130).

I am going to replace armoured cars with recon tanks because Poland abandoned the cars and was using recon vehicles with tracks instead (TK-3, TKS, 3TP, 4TP etc).
Something about poor performance in the tackless landscape of the east.

Something the Germans learnt in 1941.