Poland fell in a heartbeat, but France...

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I'm just coming back to the game after buying the last three DLC's and I've learned quite a bit in the last week, at least I thought I had. I used my spies on Poland and France and I was able to get the collaboration up to 100% in both. Poland fell so quickly I didn't even get to enjoy the attack, and I thought I would just walk on over and do the same to France. Nope! I attacked right around mid-1940, and I had 3 x 24 divisions of (infantry + 2 artillery) = 20 width + 5 types of support (field hospital, engineer, scout, anti-tank, anti-air), and I had a little over a million enlisted total. Playing on the easy level while I learn and I was good on research, too.

I took 1 x 24 infantry and 1 x 3 panzer division up to Denmark and took that, then I naval invaded Norway. I had to wait to attack France, because I had not finished the focus that takes you around the Maginot Line, and The Netherlands ended up declaring war on me when I hit Denmark.

I positioned my 2 x 24 infantry / artillery divisions against The Netherlands border and I started the attack. My goodness, the attack went nowhere, and for the first time since I started playing I saw a bunch of red cones pointing at my troops, and the small line below each general started turning gray, indicating I was facing a superior force. It turns out that France sent a bunch of troops into Belgium, along with England, and they all bottlenecked on The Netherlands border.

There wasn't much space to line my troops up and attack, and I remember thinking to myself that I should have used artillery on Norway, and the Panzers on The Netherlands. Still, I'm not used to my troops being run over that way, especially when I had a good Field Marshall, and excellent generals for the job. Plus, I had updated them with all the medals that I could.

So what happened? Do I need 40 width divisions for both infantry and Panzers, or was it that I tried to squeeze all my 48 divisions into a space that was too small? I am used to attacking The Netherlands and Belgium together, and spreading my troops out a bit.

In the middle of the stalemate, my faction friends sent me some troops and I started to barely move the line as it widened out a bit, but then the Soviet Union made a war claim and came walking right in. No chance. Suggestions? I've just never had any issues with France or the in-between countries when I played a couple years ago, though I think I did lead with my Panzers.
 
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1. Air superiority. Rule number 1 of Hoi4 is to always have air superiority. Rule number 2 is to never lose air superiority.

2. If you have panzers : attack with panzers, all of them if the supply situation permits it. If you don't have panzers, you better have a ton, and I do mean thousands upon thousands of CAS.

3. Fuel? You may be running out of oil, all the planes and tanks in the world are useless without a steady supply of fuel.
 
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1. Air superiority. Rule number 1 of Hoi4 is to always have air superiority. Rule number 2 is to never lose air superiority.

2. If you have panzers : attack with panzers, all of them if the supply situation permits it. If you don't have panzers, you better have a ton, and I do mean thousands upon thousands of CAS.

3. Fuel? You may be running out of oil, all the planes and tanks in the world are useless without a steady supply of fuel.

I see how it works now. Panzers or boat loads of CAS. Darn, France had planes from several nations = over 3200 fighters alone. That was a tough one. I'll have to think through that a bit. Edit: Thanks, BTW!

So combat width is not that big of an issue as long as you have 20? That wasn't a contributing factor?
 

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I see how it works now. Panzers or boat loads of CAS. Darn, France had planes from several nations = over 3200 fighters alone. That was a tough one. I'll have to think through that a bit. Edit: Thanks, BTW!

So combat width is not that big of an issue as long as you have 20? That wasn't a contributing factor?
Not really 20 is ok. Yes its the air that stops you.
 
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Also take out AT and put in Art as support its not needed in Vanilla.

BTW in single player taking out Norway is just unnecessary. It has not the same strategical value as in the ww2 as they stay neutral all game, it would just open an other unnecessary front for you to watch.
Just take Denmark to close the strait to the east sea.
 
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Also take out AT and put in Art as support its not needed in Vanilla.

BTW in single player taking out Norway is just unnecessary. It has not the same strategical value as in the ww2 as they stay neutral all game, it would just open an other unnecessary front for you to watch.
Just take Denmark to close the strait to the east sea.

Great advice! Thank you again! It's pretty hard for the AI to follow the topography of Norway as well. My troops tend to get themselves cut off from the port and become encircled, if I don't constantly intervene.