plz plz make sure North Korea is powerful.

[unmerged(26538)]

Well, in the first gulf war the Pentagon claim a efectivity of over 80% for the Partiot, but the MIT says that it was very lower, around 25% or less. And ask in Israel what they think about the Patriot...
The same with the Aegis missiles. The Block IV is surely the best naval SAM system in the world, but I think that is far away to be as efective as the US Navy claims. In real combat conditions you will need at least two SAM missiles per enemy missile aproaching. At least.

 

[Buke]

That’s true but technology has greatly increased in effectiveness since gulf war 1. The Patriot has received upgrades and I do believe the Patriots intercepted most missiles fired in 2003.

As for Aegis missiles there pretty good but also remember the US navy is not going to park its ships right off the coast, there going to be flying strikes from far beyond North Koreas radar range meaning if they want to swarm a carrier group such as was described above there going to have to go searching. Now no matter the size of North Koreas airforce or navy the skill or technology is just not there. Looking at it on the whole I see North Korea suffering badly under US air strikes its airforce destroyed and its vaunted missile forces destroyed every time they show up. Might they get lucky and sink a ship or two? Probably but I don’t see North Korea as having the capability of significantly impeding US efforts of the high seas.

 

[Jace]

well even high ranking us officles say beating the NK airforce over North Korea will be very very hard.

 

[unmerged(24942)]

High ranking US officials know more than a bunch of pseudo intellectuals on web forums. Not talking directly to anyone here.

 

[unmerged(2997)]

Such as the existence of WMD ...Saddams links...I used to believe but find it very hard to believe anything American officials say anymore.Credibility has gone.

 

[Jace]

this info is comeing from US commanders in South Korea they have the best info.

 

[Waffen9999]

well even high ranking us officles say beating the NK airforce over North Korea will be very very hard.

Ok reading this you've made it sound like North Korea is a super power or something. You do realize that despite what you'd said in the event of a war between the U.S. and North Korea the North Koreans would be exterminated. For starters, assuming it's a non nuclear war >we'd wipe them off the map with little threat to ourselves, as their missile technology by all accounts isn't capable of hitting the U.S. mainland, so maybe we'd lose the Aleutian's if we're unlucky< they'd have to invade through the largest landmine field in the world, the Korean DMZ. Second, the North Korean economy is a joke. The entire country is living off of foreign supplies that are being given to them. The people are starving, the infrastructure is practically nonexistant and there's virtually no fuel in the country. The North Korean's have been developing their little nuclear program specifically for the point of blackmail.

While they do have a large albeit obsolete army yes, and if they did some how make it through the DMZ they probably would overrun our forces and South Korea's it wouldn't make much difference. As soon as the U.S. mobilised itself for the task it could return in force and set about liberating the country. You mentioned North Korea's large submarine fleet. Large it may be but look at the quality. Extremely aged and ill equipped Soviet hand me down submarines from the Cold War. Now, the North Korean's glorius airforce...... at least in their minds. Same with the Chinese, large and obsolete and due to the lack of fuel more than likely under trained. Given the current state of North Korea it can't do much more than threaten. The total lack of energy sources would virtually guarantee that any offensive it made would be stalled and quickly die out as it doesn't have the resources for war. As such North Korea should probably have virtually no starting resources and basically be constantly short of everything.

 

[unmerged(24942)]

Exterminate them? Excuse me, but how do you think we can exterminate Korth Korea if we cannot even beat Iraq? I think you presume to know to much when in reality you know little at best. Thanks for my daily laugh. :rofl: If there is one thing in this world that is over-rated more than anything in this world, its the American military.

 

[Waffen9999]

Exterminate them? Excuse me, but how do you think we can exterminate Korth Korea if we cannot even beat Iraq? I think you presume to know to much when in reality you know little at best. Thanks for my daily laugh. :rofl: If there is one thing in this world that is over-rated more than anything in this world, its the American military.

You want a laugh it's that you think extermination refers to the entire population. If it was nuclear than of course. Militarily we'd still exterminate their army. Are you saying we didn't exterminate the Iraqi army????? Though the fact that they ran away most of the time kind of prevented that but if they hadn't the end result would have been that. And how have we not beaten Iraq? Is there a dictator still in power? Nope, he was squashed and his army disbanded. Are we fighting an insurgency? Yes, but that's not the nation of Iraq we're fighting.

You seem to be the one presuming to know more than you do. I'll not deny the American military is over rated, but not when it's compared against a near third world military. And mind you this. When the 1991 Gulf War commenced we went into battle with a country who's army was not only larger than North Korea's but had also seen live combat through the the Iran-Iraq war and was also comparitive in technology. Our end loss in deaths, less than 200. Enemy casualties, well over 100,000. The 5th largest army in the world was reduced to rubble under a campaign of incessant bombing. You're saying the same couldn't be done to North Korea? You need to wake up.

 

[unmerged(24942)]

I am wide awake my friend and I am telling you this. Iraq is nothing compared to North Korea. I wasnt talking about the population. I WAS in fact talking about the military. The reason the Us army is over-rated is because people like you over-rate them. North Korea is NO cake walk. The Korean War in the 50's proved that. Did we win that war? NO. We were forced to sign a armistice. We are not in fact winning in Iraq. If you call insurgents controlling half the country and everyday gaining more territory and control winning a war, then you are sadly troubled. In a war between the US and NK, NK would push out the enemy because IF NK was in trouble CHINA would surely help them to defeat the american enemy. So you my friend, need to wake up. People like you believe the American Army is unstoppable and it is that ignorance and underestimation that leads to defeats like Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq. Everytime you even consider the US defeating the Koreans remember this, China isnt just going to sit idly by while the americans attempt to take over the Korean Peninsula. If you would like to continue this conversation you can pm me and I will gladly debate with you. Just want to add one little thing. IF NK was about to lose a war against the US and China didnt interfere then they would most likely let loose their nuclear weapons. Its a no win situation for everyone. Especially, for the South Koreans and Japanese.

 

[gzav]

Don't even start on that subject, keep to discussing the mod...

 

[unmerged(29491)]

Don't even start on that subject, keep to discussing the mod...

That debate has something to do with the mod, North Korea are going to be in the mod, right? That's what I thought.

 

[unmerged(28406)]

But the other way around NK could simply walk over SK ?

 

[gzav]

That debate has something to do with the mod, North Korea are going to be in the mod, right? That's what I thought.

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Get it?

 

[unmerged(32507)]

North Korea is suffering such a significant fuel shortage that their air force doesn't even conduct exercises anymore. Also consider that the nation is experiencing a terrible food crisis right now, in which the military is forced to divert food from its reserves, and you have an army that is effectively out of supply within months. Every statistic about the size of the North Korean army is vastly inflated. It's a country with antiquated weapons systems and, in stark contrast to the Juche ideology, they would be wholly dependent on Chinese aid to stand on their own in any war. Chinese aid that, in the modern day, wouldn't come so easily.

The UN only lost the Korean War because United States protection of Taiwan provoked Chinese entry- remember that South Korean/UN troops were practically on the Yalu before 300,000 PLA regulars showed up.

North Korea isn't going to last another two decades. It's like Patton's phantom army, it's all for show. North Korea as a regional power? Only in the sense that the Chinese could use them as a bargaining chip. Reunification is the chief goal of both Koreas but there's only one of them that can do it.

If you ask me, a military coup will happen in some time...

 

[unmerged(26538)]

"The UN only lost the Korean War because United States protection of Taiwan provoked Chinese entry- remember that South Korean/UN troops were practically on the Yalu before 300,000 PLA regulars showed up."

Mayby that is the point.

North Korea should start at the limits of her capabilities. With manpower but little IC to create more units at a razonable speed, and most of their sourses used to supplie the army.
But in case of war, same like in the Korean war, should be an event that allows China to support North Korea. Sending supplies, materials, or even troops, as volunteers
That will be a way to keep N.Korea fighting for some long.

 

[Jace]

well ok in a 2nd korean war estamated death on US side are 500,000 to 1 million thats alot more then WWII. and for this mod once NK joins China and such they will get alot of resources that they need. North Korea is a powerful enemy they make Iraq look like a joke they are a real army.

 

[unmerged(24942)]

I agree with Jace. I think this comparing Iraq to North Korea is laughable at best. North Korea has a larger army and a much larger ally. Iraq cannot be compared.

 

[unmerged(34826)]

Jace, have you been brainwashed by North Korean forces?!?? :rofl:
Come on! NK is a backward country that could not withstand a war against the US. Yes, they have a large army, but they are all equiped with obsolete Soviet weapons. And China would NEVER help NK at this point in time. Why?, because China's economy is dependent on the US, therefore a war with the US would make the Chinese economy collapse.

And 500,000 to a million US casualties, haha :rofl: , the US would just bomb the crap out of NK, untill their military collapses, before they even try to land troops on NK.

 

[Jace]

so thats why US commanders in SK say a War with NK whould be the biggest war we have ever had? i mean they are highly trained not as good as the US but still good. They wont give up the like the iraq army hell some of the iraq army gave up to the media. but NK will fight to the end. and we cant bomb them easy cuz they hold their own over the skys of NK. these are not my words they come from the Commanders of US and SK forces over there. oh and just so you know NK will use bio weapions they see it as a normal part of war those estaments of US deaths are correct in my mind.