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It's very quiet indeed so much so that I've decided that a totally new map is impossible to achieve.

As for future mod development, I have already migrated the PV mod to WaTK 3.1 (though not published yet) and am planning to modify this map a little. Since you're very familiar with AGCEEP, would you like to offer your suggestions on the provinces that should be included/omitted?
I have never seen the WaTK3.1 map so I have no idea how it looks and what provinces exist.

You posted a link to an ID map for PV here
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...Vltra-Bugs&p=13708113&viewfull=1#post13708113
but the file seems to be gone.

If you still have the ID map or know where it´s uploaded could you perhaps mention the place in that thread where someone asked for it?
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?790321-watkabaoi-id-map
 

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I no longer have the ID map and that website is no longer hosting it.

Watkabaoi (the current PV map) is based on Watk 3.1. It mostly adds provinces in Africa and the Americas for the Age of Imperialism (19th c.) scenario so I decided to revert to Watk 3.1 because such provinces are unneeded. Europe is mostly the same except for a few additions.
 

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There is a bug in the revoltrisk setup of the 1419 scenario for Switzerland.

From
1419_Provinces_Misc.inc


It´s correct that Aargau was only conquered by the "Old eight Communities"/Old Switzerland in 1415. However in the current setup they have a national core on province 388. You can´t have nationalism in provinces you have a national core on so that line is simply ignored by the game.

Possible solutions:
If you want the RR to be in province 388 then you have to remove the national core and reduce it to a claimcore as the other 2 provinces - would make sense, as Switzerland in 1419 was really tiny and did not control even half of the area of the 3 provinces it has at the start.

OR leave the national core on 388 as the capital and remove the RR from 388 and instead have RR in 1612 and 1929 to simulate that Aargau was only recently conquered (1415) and Thurgau was still ruled by the Habsburgs until 1460.

german WIKI for a more accurate date of the annexation of Aargau late in 1415:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geschichte_des_Kantons_Aargau#Eroberung_des_Aargaus

WIKI article in german that has two maps showing the (later) expansion of Switzerland that in 1419 had not yet happened:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acht_Alte_Orte

My personal take on it would be the harshest for Switzerland but still manageable even for the AI:

in 1419_HEL_Switzerland:

no national provinces at all, only claimcores that later become national cores:
Code:
claimedprovinces = {
        388 1612 1929
    }
in 1419_Provinces_Misc.inc
Code:
province = { id = 388 nationalism = { year = 1416 month = january day = 1 } } #Neuenburg and Wallis
province = { id = 1612 nationalism = { year = 1415 month = july day = 22 } } #Bern province, Aargau conquered by Swiss in 1415
province = { id = 1929 nationalism = { year = 1419 month = january day = 1 } } #Thurgau and other cantons were aquired only in 1460
I agree with the changes. Moroever Graubünden (province 1929) was technically an allied state: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drei_Bünde

..but it is probably not worth creating another country for it.

There could be extra province to be able to simulate the Swiss wars with Milan over the Valtellina and Ticino. Alternatively, to avoid having small provinces, Graubünden could start under Milan.

The Swiss should also eventually get a core on province 1928 (Geneve which I would rename Vaud to include all the Savoyard lands annexed by the Swiss).

Mainz (MAI) is a bishopric but can enter royal marriages. It´s tag MAI needs to be added to the list of states that can´t enter royal marriages in religions_special.txt

Code:
#Bishoprics
AQU BRE KOL MAG [COLOR=yellow]MAI[/COLOR] MUN PAP SLZ STR TRN TRR UTR WRZ
Noted. This was an omission from my part.
 

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The Swiss should also eventually get a core on province 1928 (Geneve which I would rename Vaud to include all the Savoyard lands annexed by the Swiss).
...
We could modify 2 swiss events to get that. In the original AGCEEP events that are still in PV Switzerland only gains a CB on Savoy and after conquering Savoy it gains a core. That was done so that Switzerland has revoltrisk in Savoy due to the limitations of the old EU2 "only-one-type-of-core" system and "Genf" being a part of the "Savoy" province in the vanilla map. HEL even gains french culture to rule french Savoy without problems later despite their historical conquest only being Genf/Geneve.

In FtG we could simply grant a claim_core in the first event and change the added french national culture to a change of provinceculture. Province should not be 405 Savoy but 1928 Genf because in vanilla AGCEEP there was no separate "Genf" province so HEL got a core on Savoy itself.

Code:
#(1535-1537) expansion of Bern into Savoie
event = {
	id = 184020
	trigger = {
		NOT = { owned = { province = [color=red]405[/color][color=yellow]1928[/color] data = -1 } } #[color=red]Savoie[/color][color=yellow]Genf[/color]
	}
	random = no
	country = HEL
	name = "EVENTNAME184020" #Increase Catholic Influence
	desc = "EVENTHIST184020"
	#-#With the Protestant cantons gaining more and more influence. Berne (a Catholic city canton) decided to try and gain more influence for the catholic cause. A way of acheiving this would be to increase its sphere of influence south-west into Savoyard lands towards Lake Geneve, at the expense of Savoy.

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1535 }
	offset = 120
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1537 }

	action_a = {
		name = "EXCELLENT"
		[color=red]command = { type = casusbelli which = SAV value = 24 }[/color]
                [color=yellow]command = { type = addcore_claim which = 1928 } #Genf[/color]
		command = { type = relation which = SAV value = -50 }
	}
}
#(1536-1538) Expansion of Bern into Savoie
event = {
	id = 184069
	trigger = {
		owned = { province = [color=red]405[/color][color=yellow]1928[/color]data = -1 } #[color=red]Savoie[/color][color=yellow]Genf[/color]
                [color=yellow]control = { province = 1928 data = -1 } #Genf[/color]
	}
	random = no
	country = HEL
	name = "EVENTNAME184069" #Expansion of Bern into Savoie
	desc = "EVENTHIST184069"
	#-#Vaud, Chablis, Lausanne and other territories of savoie were subdued and annexed.

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1536 }
	offset = 120
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1538 }

	action_a = {
		name = "EXCELLENT"
		[color=red]command = { type = addcore_national which = 405 } #Savoie
		command = { type = add_countryculture which = french }[/color]
                [color=yellow]command = { type = provinceculture which = 1928 value = swiss } #Genf[/color]
	}
}
The same change of province ID would be needed to HEL 20308. It too checks for 405/Savoy while it should check for 1928 Genf in the PV map.
 
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Thank you.


Probably typo but I will take a look later. In any case, STE and the rest of the Central Asian setup will be reworked for the next version. STE will own parts of SIB (which didn't exist in 1419). SIB will be one of the successor states, like Kazan, Crimea and the others.
I started a test game as the Golden Horde and I think I found the error:

Province 449 is a national core of the Golden Horde - but it is terra incognita to them ^^

I guess you wanted to add 449 to their known provinces and accidentally put it in their core provinces.

Code:
knownprovinces = {
		471 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 2016 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 510 511 513
                514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 533 534 535 1651 578 579 742 
                744 745 746 1004 1005 1006 1007 1009 1010 1011 1012 464 1014 1015 1016 1017 1327 1529 1530 1531 465 2006
                2017 1532 1533 1534 1535 1570 1571 1573 1592 1594 1609 1610 1611 448 272 271 270 279 461 462 295 450 286
                1960 1962 446 [color=yellow]449[/color] 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 463 466 468
	}
	ownedprovinces = {
		296 446 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 460 463 466 468 465 2006 2017 1570 1571 510 1960 515 520
		#Uzbek
		514 516 517 519 513 580 1535 579 584
		#Sibir
		511 1572 1583
	}
	controlledprovinces = {
		296 446 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 460 463 466 468 465 2006 2017 1570 1571 510 1960 515 520
		#Uzbek
		514 516 517 519 513 580 1535 579 584
		#Sibir
		511 1572 1583
	}
	nationalprovinces = {
		296 446 447 [color=red]449[/color] 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 460 463 464 465 466 468 510 1571 2006 2017
	}
 
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Trade bug:

I started a testgame as Kongo and was surprised. 1 of Kongo´s provinces in 1419 trades in japanese Hizen, the other provinces of Kongo and Zimbabwe trade in aztec Tenochtitlan. Who said that Columbus or the Vikings were the first to America? ;-)

GlobalizedTrade.jpg

When looking at the vanilla AGCEEP map both Kongo and Zimbabwe trade in Rufiji so there must be something different in the starting trade setup?
 
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Those files are those that I modified for AGCEEP (not PV) to show what changes I meant for the whole LeLoi-event sequence, not just the bugfix. In AGCEEP proper 1554 is the right province ID to use for that revoltrisk.
If you only want the revoltrisk in the right province simply open your 1419_Provinces_Misc.inc file with a text editor like Notepad and exchange the lines as described in my post. However changing only the RR would mean eternal RR in those 2 provinces as the RR is lowered by chinese events that would need to be changed too.

Edit:
In case you have not made a backup of your file before overwriting it with the files from my post 130 I have the 1419_Provinces_Misc.inc file attached.

Edit: And I tried a quick mod of the PV China event and scenariodefinition files so here is a zip of all 3 for PV. If there´s problems with China with those files please notify me.
Just to confirm that this works right. :)
 

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Trade bug:

I started a testgame as Kongo and was surprised. 1 of Kongo´s provinces in 1419 trades in japanese Hizen, the other provinces of Kongo and Zimbabwe trade in aztec Tenochtitlan. Who said that Columbus or the Vikings were the first to America? ;-)
...
When looking at the vanilla AGCEEP map both Kongo and Zimbabwe trade in Rufiji so there must be something different in the starting trade setup?
Solution: Kongo and Zimbabwe need to have province 766 Lindi as known province just as both know the CoT in Rufiji in AGCEEP. If they know that province then all provinces of both countries will belong to the CoT in Lindi and not to the Aztec or Japanese Trade Centers.

Changes to
1419_KON_Kongo.inc

Code:
knownprovinces = {
		787 [color=red]1131 1132 1181[/color] 1328 1505 1506 1649 1670 1671 1672 1673 1692
		[color=yellow]766 #Lindi CoT[/color]
	}
My personal opinion about Kongo´s known provinces is that it should not start with Knowledge of the seazones just as it is in AGCEEP. I marked those that I removed in my game in red.

to 1419_ZIM_Zimbabwe.inc

Code:
knownprovinces = {
		1509 1650 1661 770 1646 769 771 1489 1536 753
		[color=yellow]766 #Lindi CoT[/color]
	}
 

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Styria/Innerösterreich can be left with no stateculture depending on event choices.

Option b of event STY261010 removes bavarian culture. In the original AGCEEP event german culture is removed. However in AGCEEP Styria starts with german AND slavonic culture (as Krain starts as slavonic provinceculture). So when german is removed it still has slavonic which is intended as the Cillii choice.

However in Plus Vltra Styria starts only with bavarian culture and when that is removed it has no stateculture at all left.

Code:
#(1424) Regency of Friedrich IV, Count of Tyrol
event = {
	id = 261010
	trigger = { NOT = { war = { country = STY country = TYR } } }
	random = no
	country = STY
	name = "EVENTNAME261010" #Death of Ernest the Iron
	desc = "EVENTHIST261010"
	#-#Although by the treaty of Neuberg of 1379 the Habsburg lands had been partitioned into separate entities, to be held by different members of the Habsburg family, the idea of the unity of the family survived. The most important consequence of this was that by a clause in the treaty in the case of a minor inheriting one of the states the oldest member of the family was to assume tutelage over the minor ruler and regency of his countries. Therefore when Archduke Ernst the Iron of Styria prematurely died in his best manhood in 1424 at the age of 47, and his sons Friedrich and Albrecht were only 9 and 5 years old, their uncle Friedrich IV, Count of Tyrol, became tutor of the two brothers and administered Styria, Carinthia and Carniola not only for them as their tutor, but personally as regent. The large noble dynasties of Styria, especially the Cilli, who quickly rose in power with the close personal friendship of Count Herman II and Holy Roman Emperor Sigismund, used the rather weak central authority during the regency, to enhance their power and autonomy.

	date = { day = 9 month = june year = 1424 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME261010A" #Let Friedrich IV be our regent
		command = { type = relation which = TYR value = 100 }
		command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 322015 } #TYR: Regency of Friedrich IV in Inner Austria
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME261010B" #Refuse Friedrich and have Hermann II of Cilli instead
		command = { type = relation which = TYR value = -200 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -200 }
		command = { type = relation which = HUN value = 200 } #Friend of emperor Sigismund, King of HUN and BOH
		command = { type = relation which = BOH value = 200 }
		command = { type = relation which = ROM value = 200 }
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 0111017 } #Hermann II von Cilli
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 0111018 } #Friedrich IV
		command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 2 }
		command = { type = remove_countryculture which = bavarian }
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
	}
}
Possible solutions:

Simple solution: When removing bavarian in option b have croatian added to simulate the rule of Cilli.

My personal choice would be: Have Styria start with bavarian AND croatian stateculture and the province Krain with croatian instead of bavarian to show the cultural split of Styria with slovenes in the south. Then removing bavarian leaves them with croatian after the b choice in the event.

Suggested change to 1419_STY_Styria.inc:

Code:
country = {
	tag = STY
	ai = "SmallCRC0.ai"
	colonialattempts = 0
	colonialnation = no
	major = no
	colonists = 0
	cancelledloans = 0
	extendedloans = 0
	treasury = 150
	inflation = 0
	merchants = 0
	religion = { type = catholic }
	culture = { 
		type = bavarian
                [color=yellow]type = croatian[/color]
	}
Suggested change to provinces.txt:

Code:
province = {
	id = 367
	name = "PROV_Krain"
	continent = "Europe"
	region = "Central Europe"
	area = "Balkans"
	type = inland
	terrain = mountain
	size_modifier = 0
	climate = ncontinental
	religion = catholic
	culture = [color=red]bavarian[/color][color=yellow]croatian[/color]
	manpower = 3
	income = 5
	goods = iron
	city_name = "CITY_Krain"
	cot_modifier = 1
	colonization_difficulty = 0
	natives = {
		combat = 0
		ferocity = 0
		efficiency = 0
		tp_negotiation = 0
		tolerance = 0
	}
	gfx = {
		city = { x = 10137 y = 2111 }
		army = { x = 10155 y = 2123 }
		port = { x = 10092 y = 2156 }
		manufactory = { x = 10175 y = 2138 }
	}
	history = { }
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Noted. This was an omission from my part.
Another one: The republic of Ragusa can enter royal marriages...

Code:
no_dynastic = { 
#Republics
FLO GEN GRL HEL SIE [color=yellow]RAG[/color] USA VEN
#Bishoprics
AQU BRE KOL MAG [color=yellow]MAI[/color] MUN PAP SLZ STR TRN TRR UTR WRZ
#Monastic states
KNI LIV TEU
}
 

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Ragusa won't be on the modified map anyway.
However in the current Plus Vltra map it exists.
Ragusa should lose croatian culture, too. The city of Ragusa did not expand beyond the scape of the area that is dalmatian in the current PV setup.

Change to 1419_RAG_Ragusa.inc

Code:
culture = { 
		type = dalmatian
		[color=red]type = croatian [/color]
	}
 

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There could be extra province to be able to simulate the Swiss wars with Milan over the Valtellina and Ticino. Alternatively, to avoid having small provinces, Graubünden could start under Milan....
That´s a good idea. Switzerland would start only with 2 provinces (Bern/Zürich) and gains Genf from Savoy and the Three Leagues from Milan.
However then I suggest the starting setup to be like this:
- Switzerland does not have a core on Graubünden and gains it later by event when historically the Three Leagues were constantly allied to Switzerland (e.g HEL 20307)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Territoriale-Entwicklung-CH.png
- Milan owns Graubünden and has a national core and Graubünden has italian culture (to represent the Tessin and Veltlin)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Sprachen_CH_2000.png
and loses the core e.g. with event MLO 228029
- Tyrol has a claimcore on Graubünden and Zürich provinces (to represent it´s ownership of Thurgau and rights in the Vinschgau) that it loses with event TYR 322025A

Edit: In the 2nd suggestion I meant LOMBARD culture, not italian culture for Graubünden.
 
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Styria/Innerösterreich can be left with no stateculture depending on event choices.

Option b of event STY261010 removes bavarian culture. In the original AGCEEP event german culture is removed. However in AGCEEP Styria starts with german AND slavonic culture (as Krain starts as slavonic provinceculture). So when german is removed it still has slavonic which is intended as the Cillii choice.

However in Plus Vltra Styria starts only with bavarian culture and when that is removed it has no stateculture at all left.

Code:
#(1424) Regency of Friedrich IV, Count of Tyrol
event = {
	id = 261010
	trigger = { NOT = { war = { country = STY country = TYR } } }
	random = no
	country = STY
	name = "EVENTNAME261010" #Death of Ernest the Iron
	desc = "EVENTHIST261010"
	#-#Although by the treaty of Neuberg of 1379 the Habsburg lands had been partitioned into separate entities, to be held by different members of the Habsburg family, the idea of the unity of the family survived. The most important consequence of this was that by a clause in the treaty in the case of a minor inheriting one of the states the oldest member of the family was to assume tutelage over the minor ruler and regency of his countries. Therefore when Archduke Ernst the Iron of Styria prematurely died in his best manhood in 1424 at the age of 47, and his sons Friedrich and Albrecht were only 9 and 5 years old, their uncle Friedrich IV, Count of Tyrol, became tutor of the two brothers and administered Styria, Carinthia and Carniola not only for them as their tutor, but personally as regent. The large noble dynasties of Styria, especially the Cilli, who quickly rose in power with the close personal friendship of Count Herman II and Holy Roman Emperor Sigismund, used the rather weak central authority during the regency, to enhance their power and autonomy.

	date = { day = 9 month = june year = 1424 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME261010A" #Let Friedrich IV be our regent
		command = { type = relation which = TYR value = 100 }
		command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 322015 } #TYR: Regency of Friedrich IV in Inner Austria
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME261010B" #Refuse Friedrich and have Hermann II of Cilli instead
		command = { type = relation which = TYR value = -200 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -200 }
		command = { type = relation which = HUN value = 200 } #Friend of emperor Sigismund, King of HUN and BOH
		command = { type = relation which = BOH value = 200 }
		command = { type = relation which = ROM value = 200 }
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 0111017 } #Hermann II von Cilli
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 0111018 } #Friedrich IV
		command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 2 }
		command = { type = remove_countryculture which = bavarian }
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
	}
}
Possible solutions:

Simple solution: When removing bavarian in option b have croatian added to simulate the rule of Cilli.

My personal choice would be: Have Styria start with bavarian AND croatian stateculture and the province Krain with croatian instead of bavarian to show the cultural split of Styria with slovenes in the south. Then removing bavarian leaves them with croatian after the b choice in the event.

Suggested change to 1419_STY_Styria.inc:

Code:
country = {
	tag = STY
	ai = "SmallCRC0.ai"
	colonialattempts = 0
	colonialnation = no
	major = no
	colonists = 0
	cancelledloans = 0
	extendedloans = 0
	treasury = 150
	inflation = 0
	merchants = 0
	religion = { type = catholic }
	culture = { 
		type = bavarian
                [color=yellow]type = croatian[/color]
	}
Suggested change to provinces.txt:

Code:
province = {
	id = 367
	name = "PROV_Krain"
	continent = "Europe"
	region = "Central Europe"
	area = "Balkans"
	type = inland
	terrain = mountain
	size_modifier = 0
	climate = ncontinental
	religion = catholic
	culture = [color=red]bavarian[/color][color=yellow]croatian[/color]
	manpower = 3
	income = 5
	goods = iron
	city_name = "CITY_Krain"
	cot_modifier = 1
	colonization_difficulty = 0
	natives = {
		combat = 0
		ferocity = 0
		efficiency = 0
		tp_negotiation = 0
		tolerance = 0
	}
	gfx = {
		city = { x = 10137 y = 2111 }
		army = { x = 10155 y = 2123 }
		port = { x = 10092 y = 2156 }
		manufactory = { x = 10175 y = 2138 }
	}
	history = { }
}
How about you introduce Slovene as a separate culture?
I mean calling Krain a Croatian province just makes no sense.
Or reintroducing Slavonic, and adding it to all provinces that definetely had a South Slavic majority during the time period, yet are hard to identify as any of the South Slavic cultures currently in game.
For instance Nis province could recieve that same treatment.
 

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How about you introduce Slovene as a separate culture?
I mean calling Krain a Croatian province just makes no sense.
Or reintroducing Slavonic, and adding it to all provinces that definetely had a South Slavic majority during the time period, yet are hard to identify as any of the South Slavic cultures currently in game.
For instance Nis province could recieve that same treatment.
AGCEEP tried to avoid using one-province-cultures whenever possible.
And if the province of Krain is lumped into "croatian" it is at least a bit more specific than if it´s lumped into "slavonic", that was split into Bulgarian, Serbian, Dalmatian and Croatian in Plus Vltra. Whatever provinceculture it gets Austria needs to have that as an accepted culture and as Austria already gets bavarian, hungarian, slovak, bohemian and silesian more than 1 other culture can´t be displayed on the screen so if Austria would get Slovene and later Croatian then the last one could not be seen in the Austrian countryscreen.
 

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... Whatever provinceculture it gets Austria needs to have that as an accepted culture and as Austria already gets bavarian, hungarian, slovak, bohemian and silesian more than 1 other culture can´t be displayed on the screen so if Austria would get Slovene and later Croatian then the last one could not be seen in the Austrian countryscreen.
?
That is no longer an issue in FTG because secondary cultures are shown by hovering.
 

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That is no longer an issue in FTG because secondary cultures are shown by hovering.
You are right - I thought of EU2 and it´s issue of having limited space to show all statecultures.
 

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In my current game I noticed that to stabhit an enemy with a peace offer I had to demand 12% less than the warscore.

I understood the defines.txt settings:

Code:
_WARSCORE_STABHIT_THRESHOLD_          = 40   #Positive: warscore must be above this to allow stability hits on declined peace offers
	_WARSCORE_STABHIT_OFFER_DIFFERENTIAL_ = 11   #Positive: peace offer must be at least this amount below warscore to stab hit
so that if I have more than 40% warscore that my peace offer with 11% less than warscore would mean the enemy would suffer a -1 to stability.

e.g. when I have a WS of 100% demanding 89%.

However nothing happened. Only when I demanded 12% less than warscore did the stabhit work.
Could someone confirm that this happens in their games too?
 

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The game freezes at Initializing Globals when I try to load the mod, other mods work well. What gives?