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Hussite event fires, but not hussites appear
 

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hussite fixes

SIL = { #Hussites
no = BOH
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1419 }
expirydate = { day = 29 month = december year = 1437 }
minimum = { 327 328 330 }
extra = { 314 315 329 330 }
capital = 328
culture = czech
religion = hussite
#ai = "Hussites.ai"
ai = "SIL_1419_Hussites.ai"
}
ROM = { #Romanist Bohemia
no = BOH
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1419 }
expirydate = { day = 29 month = december year = 1437 }
minimum = { 314 315 329 330 840 }
extra = { 327 328 }
capital = 314 1003
culture = czech
religion = catholic
revolt = no
#ai = "Romanists.ai"
ai = "ROM_1419_Romanist.ai"
}

EDIT - this now works but hussites do not survive with only 2 provinces - should they get Morava as well ?
 
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should - Lausitz, Breslau and the states of LIE , OEL, OPP have Sorb/Silesian culture
 

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How did it end with this suggestion in agceep Bohemia thread?
I think it was ignored, ............HUS always die out by 1424 in games with 2 provinces ..............could be the stab hits they take which lowers morale
 

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ID changes due to variant map:

Code:
#(1425) Succession of Bayern-Straubing
event = {
	id = 188001
	trigger = {
		exists = BAY
		exists = HAB
		owned = { province = [color=red]348[/color][color=yellow]928[/color] data = -1 } #Straubing
	}
	random = no
	country = HUN
	name = "EVENTNAME188001" #Death of Johann of Bavaria-Straubing
	desc = "EVENTHIST188001"
	#-#In 1425 Duke Johann II the Merciless of Bavaria-Straubing (in Lower Bavaria) died and the Wittelsbach subbranch was extinct. Surprisingly, emperor Sigismund initially did not grant Straubing's possessions to one of the other Wittelsbach branches, but to Habsburg. This decision was opposed by the Wittelsbachs and revised in 1429 when Sigismund decided to divide it among the Bavarian Wittelsbach branches, with Bavaria-Munich getting the majority.

	date = { day = 6 month = january year = 1425 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME188001A" #Grant Straubing to Habsburg
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 100 }
		command = { type = relation which = TYR value = 50 }
		command = { type = relation which = BAY value = -50 }
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = HAB value = [color=red]348[/color][color=yellow]928[/color] } #[color=red]Ansbach[/color] [color=yellow]Straubing[/color]
		command = { type = trigger which = 179019 } #HAB: Bavaria-Straubing is granted to Habsburg
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME188001B" #Grant Straubing to the Bavarian Wittelsbachs
		command = { type = relation which = BAY value = 50 }
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = BAY value = [color=red]348[/color][color=yellow]928[/color] } #[color=red]Ansbach[/color] [color=yellow]Straubing[/color]
		command = { type = trigger which = 125000 } #BAY: Inheritance of Bavaria-Straubing
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 188002 } #HUN: Sigismund reverses his decision regarding Bayern-Straubing
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 3207 } #The Bavarian Succession of 1777; the Habsburgs based their claim on bavarian territories on the emperor's decision of 1425 #HAB: Austrian claims on Straubing
	}
}
#(1425) Succession of Bayern-Straubing
event = {
	id = 188003
	trigger = {
		NOT = { exists = BAY }
		owned = { province = [color=red]348[/color][color=yellow]928[/color] data = -1 } #Straubing
	}
	random = no
	country = HUN
	name = "EVENTNAME188001" #Death of Johann of Bavaria-Straubing
	desc = "EVENTHIST188001"
	#-#In 1425 Duke Johann II the Merciless of Bavaria-Straubing (in Lower Bavaria) died and the Wittelsbach subbranch was extinct. Surprisingly, emperor Sigismund initially did not grant Straubing's possessions to one of the other Wittelsbach branches, but to Habsburg. This decision was opposed by the Wittelsbachs and revised in 1429 when Sigismund decided to divide it among the Bavarian Wittelsbach branches, with Bavaria-Munich getting the majority.

	date = { day = 6 month = january year = 1425 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME188001B" #Grant Straubing to the Bavarian Wittelsbachs
		command = { type = independence which = BAY }
		command = { type = trigger which = 125000 } #BAY: Inheritance of Bavaria-Straubing
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 188002 } #HUN: Sigismund reverses his decision regarding Bayern-Straubing
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 3207 } #The Bavarian Succession of 1777; the Habsburgs based their claim on bavarian territories on the emperor's decision of 1425 #HAB: Austrian claims on Straubing
	}
}
#(1425) Succession of Bayern-Straubing
event = {
	id = 188004
	trigger = {
		exists = BAY
		NOT = { exists = HAB }
		owned = { province = [color=red]348[/color][color=yellow]928[/color] data = -1 } #Straubing
	}
	random = no
	country = HUN
	name = "EVENTNAME188001" #Death of Johann of Bavaria-Straubing
	desc = "EVENTHIST188001"
	#-#In 1425 Duke Johann II the Merciless of Bavaria-Straubing (in Lower Bavaria) died and the Wittelsbach subbranch was extinct. Surprisingly, emperor Sigismund initially did not grant Straubing's possessions to one of the other Wittelsbach branches, but to Habsburg. This decision was opposed by the Wittelsbachs and revised in 1429 when Sigismund decided to divide it among the Bavarian Wittelsbach branches, with Bavaria-Munich getting the majority.

	date = { day = 6 month = january year = 1425 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME188001B" #Grant Straubing to the Bavarian Wittelsbachs
		command = { type = relation which = BAY value = 50 }
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = BAY value = [color=red]348[/color][color=yellow]928[/color] } #[color=red]Ansbach[/color] [color=yellow]Straubing[/color]
		command = { type = trigger which = 125000 } #BAY: Inheritance of Bavaria-Straubing
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 188002 } #HUN: Sigismund reverses his decision regarding Bayern-Straubing
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 3207 } #The Bavarian Succession of 1777; the Habsburgs based their claim on bavarian territories on the emperor's decision of 1425 #HAB: Austrian claims on Straubing
	}
}
Code:
#(1429) Sigismund reverses his decision regarding Bayern-Straubing
event = {
	id = 188002
	trigger = {
		event = 179019 #HAB: Straubing granted to Habsburg
		NOT = {
			control = { province = [color=red]349[/color][color=yellow]928[/color] data = HAB }
			vassal = { country = HAB country = BAY }
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = HUN
	name = "EVENTNAME188002" #Sigismund reverses his decision regarding Bayern-Straubing
	desc = "EVENTHIST188002"
	#-#Facing strong opposition against his controversial decision to let the possessions of Bayern-Straubing pass to Habsburg, Emperor Sigismund reverted his judgement in 1429 and divided Straubing among the remaining bavarian Wittelsbachs.

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1429 }
	offset = 180
	deathdate = { day = 29 month = december year = 1429 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME188002A" #Sigismund changes his mind
		command = { type = trigger which = 125000 } #BAY: Inheritance of Bavaria-Straubing
		command = { type = trigger which = 179020 } #HAB: Sigismund reverses his decision regarding Bayern-Straubing
		command = { type = relation which = BAY value = 50 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -50 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME188002B" #Sigismund maintains his old decision
		command = { type = relation which = BAY value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 50 }
	}
}
 

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If we accept that the events text would not fit to all possible options - just as it is currently, then we could
merge events HUN 188001, 003 and 004 to one event.
Instead of having different triggers the event would have four options, each with a condition for that option
e.g. a) HAB exists --> provinc to HAB, b) HAB and BAY exists --> to BAY as 2nd option, c) HAB does not exist but BAY does --> BAY, d) neither HAB nor BAY exists --> release BAY
 

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In my current testgame the Ottomans are not expanding fast enough. In 1527 the Mamluks, Ramazan and Akk Koyounlou still exist and TUR has not even conquered Bosnia from Hungary despite having cores. And not owning Bosnia means that the modified event of solidified rule in the Balkans won´t fire that grants TUR bosnian culture. And lacking that TUR did not manage to come even close to sieging Vienna in 1529 as historically.

So I suggest these changes:

Code:
#(1526) The Invasion of Hungary
event = {
	id = 19013
	trigger = {
		event = 19010 #TUR: Lajos insults Suleyman
		NOT = {
			vassal = { country = HUN country = TUR }
			vassal = { country = HUN country = HAB }
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = HUN
	name = "EVENTNAME19013" #The Turks Approach
	desc = "EVENTHIST19013"
	#-#After seizing Belgrade and several other key forts guarding Hungary, Suleyman gave Lajos one last chance to see reason. An uprising in Egypt gave Lajos another year of breathing space, but he was still unable to find support in Europe. With the Sultan at the head of an 80,000 man army, Lajos prepared to face him with only 30,000 men.

	date = { day = 23 month = august year = 1526 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19013A" #We will fight them!
		command = { type = trigger which = 19014 } #HUN: The Battle of Mohacs
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 355 } #Serbia [color=yellow]historically fell after only 3 weeks[/color]
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19013B" #We cannot hope to prevail
		command = { type = breakvassal which = [color=red]POL[/color][color=yellow]-1[/color] }
		[color=red]command = { type = breakvassal which = HAB }
		command = { type = breakvassal which = BOH }[/color]
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = SPA value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = CAS value = -50 } #In case Spain never formed
		command = { type = relation which = TUR value = 100 }
		command = { type = stability value = -4 }
		command = { type = removecore_national which = 355 } #Serbia
		command = { type = removecore_national which = 364 } #Bosnia
		command = { type = removecore_national which = 365 } #Dalmatia
                [color=yellow]command = { type = removecore_national which = 1957 } #Hum[/color]
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 355 } #Serbia
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 364 } #Bosnia
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 365 } #Dalmatia
                [color=yellow]command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 1615 } #Ragusa
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 1957 } #Hum[/color]
		command = { type = trigger which = 301124 } #TUR: Lajos eventually submits to Suleyman
	}
}
Code:
#(1526) The Battle of Mohacs, pt II
event = {
	id = 19016 #triggered by HUN_19014
	random = no
	country = HUN
	name = "EVENTNAME19016" #Electing a New King
	desc = "EVENTHIST19016"
	#-#With Hungary defeated, Suleyman ordered the nobility of Hungary to chose whomever they wished for King, so long as he was not a Habsburg. Most of the nobles voted for János Zápolya of Transylvania, as he had the only army in Hungary. Led by the nobility of Croatia, however, many nobles argued for Ferdinand of Austria, despite the Sultan's orders, saying that only he could protect them from Suleyman.

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19016A" #Elect János Zápolya of Transylvania
		command = { type = stability value = -4 }
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = HAB value = 326 } #Presburg
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = HAB value = 351 } #Austria
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = HAB value = 350 } #Salzburg
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = HAB value = 352 } #Odenburg
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = HAB value = 367 } #Krain
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = HAB value = 369 } #Steiermark
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = HAB value = 327 } #Ostmarch
		[color=yellow]command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 364 } #Bosnia
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 365 } #Dalmatia
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 1615 } #Ragusa
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 1957 } #Hum[/color]
		command = { type = relation which = TUR value = 150 }
		command = { type = breakvassal which = [color=red]POL[/color][color=yellow]-1[/color] }
		[color=red]command = { type = breakvassal which = HAB }
		command = { type = breakvassal which = BOH }[/color]
		command = { type = alliance which = TUR }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 3185 } #HAB: The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary
		command = { type = trigger which = 3186 } #HAB: The Turk is expanding in Hungary
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19016B" #Elect Ferdinand Habsburg of Austria
		command = { type = breakvassal which = POL } #you never know...
		command = { type = breakvassal which = TUR }
		command = { type = breakvassal which = BOH }
		command = { type = dynastic which = HAB }
		command = { type = alliance which = HAB }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 200 }
		command = { type = stability value = -4 }
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 317 } #Ruthenia
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 323 } #Transylvania
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 354 } #Banat
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 362 } #[color=red]Ragusa[/color][color=yellow]Zeta[/color]
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 364 } #Bosnia
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 365 } #Dalmatia
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 366 } #Croatia
	        [color=yellow]command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 1615 } #Ragusa
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 1957 } #Hum[/color]
		command = { type = trigger which = 19018 } #HUN: The Habsburg rule in Hungary
	}
}
 

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In my current testgame the Ottomans are not expanding fast enough. In 1527 the Mamluks, Ramazan and Akk Koyounlou still exist and TUR has not even conquered Bosnia from Hungary despite having cores. And not owning Bosnia means that the modified event of solidified rule in the Balkans won´t fire that grants TUR bosnian culture. And lacking that TUR did not manage to come even close to sieging Vienna in 1529 as historically.

So I suggest these changes:

Code:
#(1526) The Invasion of Hungary
event = {
	id = 19013
	trigger = {
		event = 19010 #TUR: Lajos insults Suleyman
		NOT = {
			vassal = { country = HUN country = TUR }
			vassal = { country = HUN country = HAB }
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = HUN
	name = "EVENTNAME19013" #The Turks Approach
	desc = "EVENTHIST19013"
	#-#After seizing Belgrade and several other key forts guarding Hungary, Suleyman gave Lajos one last chance to see reason. An uprising in Egypt gave Lajos another year of breathing space, but he was still unable to find support in Europe. With the Sultan at the head of an 80,000 man army, Lajos prepared to face him with only 30,000 men.

	date = { day = 23 month = august year = 1526 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19013A" #We will fight them!
		command = { type = trigger which = 19014 } #HUN: The Battle of Mohacs
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 355 } #Serbia [color=yellow]historically fell after only 3 weeks[/color]
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19013B" #We cannot hope to prevail
		command = { type = breakvassal which = [color=red]POL[/color][color=yellow]-1[/color] }
		[color=red]command = { type = breakvassal which = HAB }
		command = { type = breakvassal which = BOH }[/color]
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = SPA value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = CAS value = -50 } #In case Spain never formed
		command = { type = relation which = TUR value = 100 }
		command = { type = stability value = -4 }
		command = { type = removecore_national which = 355 } #Serbia
		command = { type = removecore_national which = 364 } #Bosnia
		command = { type = removecore_national which = 365 } #Dalmatia
                [color=yellow]command = { type = removecore_national which = 1957 } #Hum[/color]
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 355 } #Serbia
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 364 } #Bosnia
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 365 } #Dalmatia
                [color=yellow]command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 1615 } #Ragusa
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 1957 } #Hum[/color]
		command = { type = trigger which = 301124 } #TUR: Lajos eventually submits to Suleyman
	}
}
Code:
#(1526) The Battle of Mohacs, pt II
event = {
	id = 19016 #triggered by HUN_19014
	random = no
	country = HUN
	name = "EVENTNAME19016" #Electing a New King
	desc = "EVENTHIST19016"
	#-#With Hungary defeated, Suleyman ordered the nobility of Hungary to chose whomever they wished for King, so long as he was not a Habsburg. Most of the nobles voted for János Zápolya of Transylvania, as he had the only army in Hungary. Led by the nobility of Croatia, however, many nobles argued for Ferdinand of Austria, despite the Sultan's orders, saying that only he could protect them from Suleyman.

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19016A" #Elect János Zápolya of Transylvania
		command = { type = stability value = -4 }
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = HAB value = 326 } #Presburg
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = HAB value = 351 } #Austria
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = HAB value = 350 } #Salzburg
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = HAB value = 352 } #Odenburg
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = HAB value = 367 } #Krain
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = HAB value = 369 } #Steiermark
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = HAB value = 327 } #Ostmarch
		[color=yellow]command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 364 } #Bosnia
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 365 } #Dalmatia
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 1615 } #Ragusa
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 1957 } #Hum[/color]
		command = { type = relation which = TUR value = 150 }
		command = { type = breakvassal which = [color=red]POL[/color][color=yellow]-1[/color] }
		[color=red]command = { type = breakvassal which = HAB }
		command = { type = breakvassal which = BOH }[/color]
		command = { type = alliance which = TUR }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 3185 } #HAB: The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary
		command = { type = trigger which = 3186 } #HAB: The Turk is expanding in Hungary
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME19016B" #Elect Ferdinand Habsburg of Austria
		command = { type = breakvassal which = POL } #you never know...
		command = { type = breakvassal which = TUR }
		command = { type = breakvassal which = BOH }
		command = { type = dynastic which = HAB }
		command = { type = alliance which = HAB }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 200 }
		command = { type = stability value = -4 }
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 317 } #Ruthenia
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 323 } #Transylvania
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 354 } #Banat
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 362 } #[color=red]Ragusa[/color][color=yellow]Zeta[/color]
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 364 } #Bosnia
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 365 } #Dalmatia
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 366 } #Croatia
	        [color=yellow]command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 1615 } #Ragusa
		command = { type = cedeprovince which = TUR value = 1957 } #Hum[/color]
		command = { type = trigger which = 19018 } #HUN: The Habsburg rule in Hungary
	}
}
The problem with Hungary is that it has too many provinces , which make it unappealing for the Ottomans to war , and it retains too many cultures when we know there was continous rebellions with the nobility until corvinus.......then it settled , then again there was upheavel.

The other issued is that that TUR should have annexed the MAM before 1520 , if not then TUR eyes are in Africa
 

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MY suggestion how to get to Vienna quicker was the modified event I posted.
Not annexing Ramazan is another reason why TUR does not expand fast enough and is an obstacle to reach a border with the Mamluks.
 

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The number of Hungarian provinces could be reduced to make the HAB-TUR border more dynamic. Also, gameplay-wise, it would probably be better to make TUR accept Magyar culture.
 

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The number of Hungarian provinces could be reduced to make the HAB-TUR border more dynamic. Also, gameplay-wise, it would probably be better to make TUR accept Magyar culture.
Perhaps with the conquest of Buda as provinces with magyar culture may have been under ottoman control for 100 years including the capital Buda - but the vlach, armenian and kurdish provinces have been under their control even longer.
 

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Perhaps with the conquest of Buda as provinces with magyar culture may have been under ottoman control for 100 years including the capital Buda - but the vlach, armenian and kurdish provinces have been under their control even longer.
i do not have magyar culture...I have hungarian culture as per the version I am playing..............unless a newer version of PV is around which i do not know of
 

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The problem with Hungary is that it has too many provinces
Any suggestions regarding Hungarian provinces? I was thinking to merge Karpatok and Karpatalja into Carpathia and Pest and Szeged into Cisdanubia so HUN would have the following provinces (down to 10 from 12):

Province - City
Transdanubia - Buda
Cisdanubia - Pest or Eger/Erlau or Szeged
Burgenland - Sopron/Ödenburg or Győr/Raab or Veszprem
Slovakia - Pozsony/Preßburg
Carpathia - Kassa/Kaschau
Transylvania - Hermannstadt
Crisana - Nagyvárad/Großwardein
Banat - Temesvár
Croatia - Zagreb
Slavonia - Osijek/Esseg
 

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When events are modified so that Hungary cedes Bosnia to the Ottomans after Mohacs as I suggested it should work out in most games.
 

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Any suggestions regarding Hungarian provinces? I was thinking to merge Karpatok and Karpatalja into Carpathia and Pest and Szeged into Cisdanubia so HUN would have the following provinces (down to 10 from 12):

Province - City
Transdanubia - Buda
Cisdanubia - Pest or Eger/Erlau or Szeged
Burgenland - Sopron/Ödenburg or Győr/Raab or Veszprem
Slovakia - Pozsony/Preßburg
Carpathia - Kassa/Kaschau
Transylvania - Hermannstadt
Crisana - Nagyvárad/Großwardein
Banat - Temesvár
Croatia - Zagreb
Slavonia - Osijek/Esseg
seems fine

The other flaw with the entire game to make the AI react earlier is to make non-owned historical provinces targeted 30 to 50 years before the historical event that states "this" nation owned "this" province........example, if Ottomans are to gain cores on certain hungarian provinces, then these cores should hapen much earlier, than the historical date