Pluto is a planet

[Mitchz95]

On a serious note, it would be nice if Paradox added dwarf planets to the game so that Pluto and Ceres could be properly represented.

Just adding some spherical models for the existing asteroids would probably be enough.

 

[hart30]

Sins of a solar empire solved this issue by later introducing dwarf planets in their game. Stellaris should do the same. Every planet whose terraforming (via worm for example) yields only 6 districts and less would be a dwarf planet by default intead of barren. Would allow pluto to become a ball again.

 

[Workiwork]

of course it is.. everything is a planet! it says so in the code

planet_class pc_asteroid

planet_class pc_pulsar

and so on...

you win! yay! confetti!

 

[ZomgK3tchup]

I mean out of all the features in the universe I'd want them to spend dev time on that's . . . . uh, probably not even in my top 10,000? Nice to have, sure? But you probably aren't going to come back to the game after a break away from it and start a new run just because they relabled a couple of asteroids as dwarf planets. That's just more mod territory imo, and I'm pretty sure there already are tons of mods that do that

That’s why I said “nice to have”.

Obviously, the devs have more priorities, but if they ever revisit non-habitable objects, it’d be nice to see proper representation for dwarf planets.

 

[Modulus]

I've created a mod to fix this oversight until Paradox can implement an official fix.

Steam Workshop::Pluto IS a PLANET

steamcommunity.com

 

[safferli]

I know this is a topic of planetary importance for some, but please relax and be civil. This isn't Twitter, after all.

Thank you all!

 

[Franton]

you know where the Carl Sagan Planet Walk ends? Pluto. Don't see those others in there:

I see "planet" in there. Pluto is a planet!

Interestingly, the "Planetenweg" in Glarus, switzerland, ends with Neptune. See https://sag-sas.ch/sektionen/astronomische-gruppe-glarus/planetenweg/
You can download a satellite image from here

 

[Franton]

Pluto is smaller than Russia by surface area. If Pluto is a planet then so are Ceres, Eris, Haumea, and Makemake, also probibly Quaoar, Sedna, Orcus, 2007 OR10, Salacia, 2002 MS4 and 10 Hygiea.

So no, not with you.

I don't disagree, but as you probably know, it's not just size that determines a planet. From Wikipedia:

A "planet" [1] is a celestial body inside the Solar System that (a) is in orbit around the Sun, (b) has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that it assumes a hydrostatic equilibrium (nearly round) shape, and (c) has cleared the neighbourhood around its orbit.

I'm not sure which of the bodies you listed would qualify regarding the last point, but apparently Pluto does not qualify as a planet according to this definition either.

 

[Ohirra]

Pluto is a planette.

 

[Zagreb 887]

IAU is a bunch of killjoy wankers in an ivory tower nitpicking about some arbitrary gravitational cutoff that they recently changed. the IAU's president and general secretary don't even study planets, they study galaxies!

NASA has actually sent humans to another celestial body.

either way, I see "planet" in that name. so let's call it for what it is, a planet. you can nitpick about what type of planet later.

Carl Sagan would approve.

Pluto is a planet.

The "controversy" about the status of Pluto is just American childish cry because Pluto was the only celestial body they discover.

Pluto is smaller than the moon and hasn't cleaned his orbit from other body, so it's a dwarf planet like Ceres or the bunch of transneptunians objects beyond. Get over it.

 

[pmchem]

a hero has created a mod to fix this until PDX can get to it in 3.5

Steam Workshop::Pluto IS a PLANET

steamcommunity.com

edit: just saw their post above! thanks Modulus

 

[Eled the Worm Tamer]

I don't disagree, but as you probably know, it's not just size that determines a planet. From Wikipedia:

I'm not sure which of the bodies you listed would qualify regarding the last point, but apparently Pluto does not qualify as a planet according to this definition either.

I know that, although I do think there's a case to be made that the requirement of clearing one's orbit is biased against rocky planets existing as non-dwarves past the martian type of mid-system orbits. (most of the bodies listed are found in the asteroid belt so, really did not clear anyone's orbit)

But a line has to be drawn somewhere and this whole "I'm too dogmatically hide bound to accept that the point of science is it advances, discarding old models when they prove to be inaccurate" really annoys me.

It's as bad as the refusal to adjust one's mental perception of dinosaurs to feathered because 'it's not what I grew up with' as if any one belonging to any hominid branch grew up with anything better than an incomplete idea of them any way.

These people don't believe in science, they believe in science's fandom.

 

[Surimi]

I don't think Pluto particularly cares what anyone calls it.

However, in terms of mass it's extremely similar to a bunch of other objects in the solar system that used to be considered asteroids and are now considered dwarf planets, so there's really no reason to believe it is anything special other than that it was discovered before most of them.

Ceres was considered a planet for decades after it was discovered before being reclassified as an asteroid and later reclassified again as a dwarf planet. I'm pretty sure the human race will survive the reclassification of Pluto.

 

[klopkr]

I think it should be a 'planet' just so it can have a 'moon'. It's not like it's habitable anyways and it's not a matter of actual international standards.

What do we think the actual size of the smallest habitable stellaris planet is anyways? Some of the habitable moons in game seem pretty small.

 

[johnty5]

Pluto was a planet. Some committee of fancy assholes disagree. I disagree back.

 

[Gnefitisis-3]

Sins of a solar empire solved this issue by later introducing dwarf planets in their game. Stellaris should do the same. Every planet whose terraforming (via worm for example) yields only 6 districts and less would be a dwarf planet by default intead of barren. Would allow pluto to become a ball again.

I remember seeing a mod that added up to 18 different types of biomes- most just a cosmetic mod, excluding the changes to the code base to include additional habitabilities. Anyways, if that's the implementation, that could be interesting.... However, let's not forget that one of the criteria to be a full planet vs. a dwarf planet is having an independent astral orbit & having enough gravity (mass and diameter) in order to have a spheroid surface; this is why many of the Solar system's asteroid belt dwarf planets are not rough.

So, from that perspective, dwarf planets are a non-starer. I would rather have gas-giant orbital ring habitats or floating toxic (Veniusian-esc) cities.
Come to think of it...is there a Cloud City trope gameplay aspect in Stellaris now?

 

[HFY]

So, from that perspective, dwarf planets are a non-starer. I would rather have gas-giant orbital ring habitats or floating toxic (Veniusian-esc) cities.
Come to think of it...is there a Cloud City trope gameplay aspect in Stellaris now?

If you are open to mod content, there are two popular mods which enable that trope.

 

[OnyxAbussos]

The silly parts of this thread make me very happy.

ESPECIALLY the part where some one used Sagan as proof. Perfect humor on that one.

 

[pmchem]

The silly parts of this thread make me very happy.

ESPECIALLY the part where some one used Sagan as proof. Perfect humor on that one.

thank you. sadly there appeared to be way too many people that took every post literally in this thread

nevertheless: pluto is a planet!

 

[MagnusDux]

Rare footage of OP: