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I think everyone that complains about AI should go out and attempt to make one for themselves, I have participated in several hoppy projects involving game development and I have been responsible for AI in several of them and that paradox manages to make an AI that flows as well as it does and being as good as it is is amazing. Making perfect AI is easy, making perfect AI that does not need the compuitng power of ten supercomputers is very very very hard.

Something as simple as finding the best path between two points can eat almost all of the processing power dedicated to AI.
 

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Making perfect AI is easy, making perfect AI that does not need the compuitng power of ten supercomputers is very very very hard.
Which takes us nicely back to my first point: designers should use the techniques of solitaire board wargames to simulate AI rather than trying to create it. Check out Ambush, B-17, London's Burning, Geronimo, Hornet Leader, Thunderbolt Appache Leader, Tokyo Express, Blackbeard, Mosby's Raiders, Princess Ryan's Star Marines, Peloponnesian War, Merchant Of Venus, Republic Of Rome, Gunslinger, Magic Realm and so on for for pointers.
 

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The ultimate force behind all human progress is whining to make things better. Three cheers for whiners, hip hip...

Amen.
 

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Making perfect AI is easy, making perfect AI that does not need the compuitng power of ten supercomputers is very very very hard.
Which takes us nicely back to my first point: designers should use the techniques of solitaire board wargames to simulate AI rather than trying to create it.
Exactly. AI isn't precisely the correct term here. No computer game actually has a real AI, but just sets of predefined strategies that deals with different situations in the game.

So to rephrase the whining: it isn't so much that the AI is bad in EUR, but that it doesn't quite know how to play EUR without screwing itself over. Details can often make the difference between good and dumb AI. Judging from the stupid mistakes such as the one in OP, the EUR AI clearly hasn't been properly tweaked.
 

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The ultimate force behind all human progress is whining to make things better. Three cheers for whiners, hip hip...

Psh, Enlightenment progressivism? Screw that, three cheers for modernism/postmodernism, hip hip...
 

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Thanks for the pointer erthul. I knew we were missing something in the last 20 games we published. We'll go back and implement that easy fix to all of them immediately, look for new versions of every game Paradox have ever published within the next week.

The week after that there'll be lessons on how to nail jelly to the ceiling.

BAW GHAW HAW HAW that was the funniest post I ever read in rebuttal to another posters post. Although I do agree with erthul the AI in games does need to be improved your comeback was just Seinfeld good. ;)
 

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Uh, is there actually a diference between Jello and Jelly? I always thought that the british called gelatin, Jelly, and americans called it Jello.
 

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And isn't that a picture of jelly before it's been diluted with boiling water or whatever you do to it before making it into pretty bunny shapes and leave to set.

I think someone should show they can nail a jelly bunny to the ceiling.



What irks me is that I can't beat any computer game on "hard" so you clever lot are just showing off. I even get beaten by Chessmaster at the level of a six year old (1200). How many of you can beat Chessmaster at, say, over 2500?

On the other hand my euros/pounds spent on games last longer.
 

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Uh, is there actually a diference between Jello and Jelly? I always thought that the british called gelatin, Jelly, and americans called it Jello.
If an American nails jelly to the ceiling that would be amazing cos in America jelly is jam.:rofl:
 

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What irks me is that I can't beat any computer game on "hard" so you clever lot are just showing off.
The vast majority of the 'clever lot' aren't very clever at all and manage their 'heroic victories' with cheats, beneficial reloads, sabotech, save file edits and well known exploitations of the AI's lack of intelligence (which was the whole point of this thread). It's just playing by numbers, really. So smirk, don't irk!
If you want a good chuckle check out the EU3 forum where 'players' post their mighty empires like little tin gods which is invariably followed by accusations of cheating, denials and counter-accusations and general bickering amongst themselves. Here's a recent example:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=402451
 
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