Plotting to revoke a title - Need help

[Sgian Dubh]

Hi all,

Playing a 1066 game in Ireland.

My character holds two Duchies in Ireland and a few other counties.
I have Feudal Law level
I have Revoke titles law
I have the authority to grant titles w/o council approval

I thought I had everything in order to be able to land a character, press their claim on another county and then plot to revoke the original title I granted them.

But the plot to revoke title does not appear in the intrigue menu.

Obviously I am missing a requirement, but I cannot figure out what it is.

To hopefully make this easier I have attached a save game file in zip format. Play as the king of Mumu and what I want to do is plot to revoke the title of Breifne.

Thanks,

 

[Maeldun]

I don't own the Conclave DLC, so I can't comment on "council approval" or other mechanics associated with that DLC, but in the standard game, plots to revoke typically show up under certain conditions:

-The title holder is your direct vassal
-The title holder possesses county titles in two or more de Jure duchies
-The title holder is a Duke with multiple ducal titles
-The title holder possesses a county title within your de Jure capital duchy.

If the character possesses two or more counties in the same de Jure duchy, chances are you will not have a valid plot to revoke one of them.

 

[Sgian Dubh]

Here is the save game file

 

[Sgian Dubh]

I don't own the Conclave DLC, so I can't comment on "council approval" or other mechanics associated with that DLC, but in the standard game, plots to revoke typically show up under certain conditions:

-The title holder is your direct vassal
-The title holder possesses county titles in two or more de Jure duchies
-The title holder is a Duke with multiple ducal titles
-The title holder possesses a county title within your de Jure capital duchy.

If the character possesses two or more counties in the same de Jure duchy, chances are you will not have a valid plot to revoke one of them.

The answers to the above are:

Yes
Yes
No
No

 

[Maeldun]

I won't be able to load your save because I don't own the Conclave DLC. Specify which ducal titles your ruler holds and which counties the person you are trying to plot against holds. Also specify which claim you recently pressed for this character.

 

[blind-oln]

You need to wait one year after granting county before plot to revoke.

 

[Sgian Dubh]

My Character is the Petty King of MuMu.
In addition he is the Duke of Connachta.

He personally holds:
Connachta
Deasmhumhain
Urmhumhain

My vassals at the Earl of Tuad......
The count of Breifne and Airgalla.

I invited a person who had a strong claim to Airgalla. I landed him in Breifne and then pressed his claim for Airgalla.

Now I want to revoke his title in Breifne back to my main character.

 

[Sgian Dubh]

@ blind-oln: But should not the option appear, even if it is greyed out?

I will wait one game year and see if it appears.

UPDATE : 2+ years on an still no option to plot for revocation of the title.

 

[blind-oln]

Ok, I loaded your savegame. I have a plot to revoke Airgalla. You cannot revoke Breifne because it's his main title.

You can plote to revoke Airgalla and after civil war (which will probably happen) you will have an option to revoke (not plot to revoke) his other county without tyrany because he will be traitor.

 

[Sgian Dubh]

Ah!. I didn't understand the sequence needed. Based on some play throughs I thought you were supposed to revoke the initial title and not the new land, etc.

Thank you very much!

 

[blind-oln]

No problem. Full requirments:

Not a Patrician
Target is not merchant republic
No truce with target
Title was not granted in the last year
Title is not special (holy order, mercenary, or religious head)
One of the following:

• county outside duke's duchy
• or duke with no de jure counties in his realm
• or any county in the same duchy as liege's capital
• or secondary county of a multi-count

 

[jpinard]

This is interesting. I'd always wondered why I would bother to fight for some other territory to help someone else gain it with one of my weak claims. Is this a possible reason? Id get Cassus Belli to take it after whoever gets the claim is in place (after a year)?

 

[Maeldun]

Title was not granted in the last year

I can't corroborate this particular condition. I've personally been able to plot to revoke the granted title immediately after the character changed his primary title to the one I just pressed the claim for. This is mere days after the claim was pressed.

 

[blind-oln]

If your vassal has title A, and you grant him title B, you cannot plot to revoke title B within a year, but you can plot to revoke title A if it isn't his primary title. So If vassal switch his primary title to B, you can plot to revoke title A, but only if it wasn't granted to him within year.