Plots

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What factors determine when various plots become available?

Most of the time it seems like the only plot's available for me to start, is killing my spouse...

Then from time to time I'll get a whole bunch of others, such as fabricating a claim or assassinating a vassal.

Is there a rhyme or reason for when these pop up?

 

[Damorte]

You can plot kill just about anyone in the game by going to their portrait page and clicking thelittle dagger next to their portrait.

 

[Lannock]

You can plot kill just about anyone in the game by going to their portrait page and clicking thelittle dagger next to their portrait.

Except for your children.

It sucks when you get a crappy heir and you can't plot to kill them so your only option is to use assassinate.

 

[Lucius Drake]

Except for your children.

It sucks when you get a crappy heir and you can't plot to kill them so your only option is to use assassinate.

I think that brings up a valid question, though. Why can't you plot to kill your children?

 

[tuareg109]

I think that brings up a valid question, though. Why can't you plot to kill your children?

Hmmm...I really think it's exceptionally gamey.

I mean, I'm all for it of course (freedom for the player), but how many rulers are there in history who've deliberately, cold-bloodedly plotted to kill their children?

Rather I think there should be an option, if an heir fits all requirements (having ridiculously low stats, and bad traits such as Lunatic, Possessed, Inbred, or being a Heretic), to plot to have another heir. This would work sort of like a bishopric in vanilla, totally skipping them over in succession (not inheritable, of course).

 

[Valynor]

You can plot kill just about anyone in the game by going to their portrait page and clicking thelittle dagger next to their portrait.

In my little experience that's not true.
I found a lot of characters, even angry vassals, that I could'nt kill.
I thought my ruler's intrigue intrigue skill was a factor, but I'm not sure.

About the number of plots available.
I understand some plots need prerequisites, such as having claim, rulers without children and so forth.
Again, does it matter the intrigue skill here?

 

[JonStryker]

I'm okay with that limitation and limitations to killing-plots in general.

The AI is already going overboard with killing-plots. AI-counts/dukes will pretty much always kill their siblings if they have a chance to gain land by that. I don't think fratricide was such a common thing in the middle ages. Being killed by a loved one is one of the most common causes of death in the game .

Infanticide would allow the AI to reduce their numbers even faster. Gavelkind and four sons? Let's kill three of them. Wouldn't take them long, they are probably underage and at their own court. The AI seems to not bother much who and why they kill people. There should be some restriction that stops everyone and their mother to be part in killing-plots. Yes, there was scheming back then. But there definitely were people whose number one hobby was not murdering people.

There are famous kinslayers in history but imho it wasn't such a common thing.

In one of my games the realm of a 4-county count with gavelkind and four sons was reunited within one generation. Three of the four brothers died before they were 20 and everything was inherited by the oldest one (btw he wasn't even ambitous).

 

[Damorte]

In my little experience that's not true.
I found a lot of characters, even angry vassals, that I could'nt kill.
I thought my ruler's intrigue intrigue skill was a factor, but I'm not sure.

About the number of plots available.
I understand some plots need prerequisites, such as having claim, rulers without children and so forth.
Again, does it matter the intrigue skill here?

Im fairly sure that ive always been able to plot kill anyone except my children, except in a few cases since patch 1.07 where people can go immune to hostile actions. If this is not the case (and it might not be, considering i dont use plot killing all to often) then i would really like to hear an explanation as to how it actually works.