Plot invites/participation causing instant war declarations?

[InanimateJ]

Has anyone else experienced a situation where both joining a character's internal plot (break free from clan) and inviting another clan to an attack plot (standard attack the X clan plot) instantly triggered a war declaration from the clan involved?

I had a situation last night playing as Shimazu where a Daimyo within Ouchi asked me to join a plot to break free, upon accepting, Ouchi declared war. I then created a plot to attack Ouchi and invited Kikuchi to join, who refused and immediately declared war on me in return.

Unfortunately I don't have a save file to post if it turns out to be bug-worthy for investigation. Just wondering if anyone else has seen this.

 

[Nefaro]

That's odd. Did you happen to check their relation values right before or after they DOW'd you? Maybe there was a modifier that would help find out what happened.

I can imagine the Ouchi must've detected the Plot when you joined, and got a big relations penalty thus DOW'ing you. Perhaps your 'Intrigue' attribute wasn't favorable in comparison with theirs and you failed a check on joining that plot? But the second case is likely more complicated.

 

[unperson]

Most likely the plot got exposed when you joined, or maybe was already exposed earlier and that triggered the attack.

 

[InanimateJ]

Both scenarios are plausible. But what I don't get is the Kikuchi insta-dec after asking them to join a plot against Ouchi. It wasn't even a day apart, it was "No I won't join" popup underneath the war declaration popup.

If it happens again the next time I play through as Shimazu, I'll double check the values. Or, just do what I normally do and make sure I absorb Kikuchi early. If I let them hang around too long they really make it difficult to expand as Shimazu.